Welcome to Liberal Party USA! Welcoming immigrants to live the American Dream is good for the economy as well as being a human rights issue. A plurality of Americans want pro-immigration policy reform. We're here to elect pro-immigrant candidates to elected office. 🗽
To clarify further, you can't have a discussion about whether or not a party is pro-immigration until you establish the standards that you require to be met before applying that label.
Lots of controversy around immigration right now, even if it a lot of it is sheer nonsense. Exit polls had voters saying Harris was too progressive on immigration.
Not surprisingly some Dems are going to vote in a way that reps their constituents but not the party as a whole.
Party platform needs to appeal to voters and if we had an unabashedly pro immigration party it would have libertarian party level of influence and electoral success
Ideology without power is a fine thing to have discussions during an English department seminar.
But if you want to materially improve the lives of people you need power first.
Sure but when public opinion swings hard against your position and your persuasion fails you moderate the position and try to shift the focus to an area your position are popular.
But there's no way to know if persuasion would fail if it isn't attempted. The official Dem line for some time including from both Biden and Harris, which has completely failed to convince anyone, has been "actually we'll be more effective and sensible about reducing immigration."
Only 55% of voters tell Gallup they want decreased immigration, and that's a number that shot up under Biden and plummeted under Trump. Total open borders is a radical fringe view, sure. "We don't need to reduce the number of people immigrating to the US" is perfectly mainstream.
People are nowhere uniformly informed to actually know what they are responding. Many of them think its legal immigrants and most of them will say (that group I don't like should be deported).
The Trump years were negative polarization doing the work.
Really, I think the issue is there aren't enough pro-immigration voters in the US.
Dems try to reform immigration policy, but then Repubs scream bloody murder that they won't support it until border crossings are under control, & then voters reward Repubs & punish Dems, so who's really to blame?
Given how citizenship and residency has become tied to rights and funding, first you’d need a party that was pro-social support. Realistic taxes on corporations. Properly funded programs. Enforced workers rights
We can't allow immigration until we increase/decrease the welfare state is a common excuse at both ends of the spectrum and it's equally untrue for both.
4 years ago the dem primary featured a whole arc with candidates (perhaps unwisely) one-upping each other about whether border crossing should even be a criminal offense
In other words, there'd be an actual majority against it if Democrats won 295 seats, a number that hasn't been reached since 1964, and that's implausibly assuming they'd still break down at the same ratio. And that's for something no more radical than defending the status quo.
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You might have a hard time finding a party that represents you and the 12 other people who agree with you.
And apparently for you, being pro means open borders.
Seems quite relevant.
That is just reality. Doesn't change the fact that most Dems don't agree with bill.
Lots of controversy around immigration right now, even if it a lot of it is sheer nonsense. Exit polls had voters saying Harris was too progressive on immigration.
Not surprisingly some Dems are going to vote in a way that reps their constituents but not the party as a whole.
And if leadership is whipping against a bill and nevertheless loses a quarter of the caucus, they are abysmal leaders.
But if you want to materially improve the lives of people you need power first.
The Trump years were negative polarization doing the work.
Dems try to reform immigration policy, but then Repubs scream bloody murder that they won't support it until border crossings are under control, & then voters reward Repubs & punish Dems, so who's really to blame?
Then there’s the old style GOP which is very much in favor of profiting from the cheap labor of undocumented workers.
Without that, it precludes the other
now they're gonna overwhelmingly pass laken riley
it's miserable