Legit question for the people agreeing with Druckmann here and saying Joel was correct: Presuming the cure would work (which the game leaves ambiguous) Do you think Ellie Knew that she would die for the cure? And does that matter in reference to Joel's choice? - ThreadSky

squidradio.bsky.social • 8 days ago

Legit question for the people agreeing with Druckmann here and saying Joel was correct: Presuming the cure would work (which the game leaves ambiguous) Do you think Ellie Knew that she would die for the cure?

And does that matter in reference to Joel's choice?

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coltschamps2030.bsky.social•8 days ago

She does not know she is going to die.

squidradio.bsky.social•8 days ago

See, my interpretation is that she does. Or at least, she knows her time with Joel is almost up.

During the approach to Denver, you can see her distance herself from Joel. Where he becomes more open and supportive, she becomes more reserved, held back. He talks of the future, she simply accepts.

squidradio.bsky.social•8 days ago

Then, they are separated after the tunnel. Hours pass, if not days, between their separation and her being prepped for surgery.

And no one informed her in that time? She never thought to ask? She never wondered what the procedure was, and no one else ever told her what it was?

squidradio.bsky.social•8 days ago

Finally, during the ride back to the Dam, she is distrustful. Not openly accusing him, but knowing that Joel is hiding the truth from her. She knows something isn't right.

Does she know then what the stakes were? Or was she ignorant of it even after the rescue?

squidradio.bsky.social•8 days ago

The ambiguity of the choice, the weight of Joel's Decision and how it affects Ellie growing up, was one of the few highlights to the narrative. It showed that our heroes can be flawed, and the ideals we set in our head can be wrong. That our End is our own doing, the consequence of our actions.

morganleslay.bsky.social•8 days ago

She does not think she'll die. One of their last conversations was what they were going to do after the cure.

ashesorbones.bsky.social•8 days ago

Yeah I remember thinking Part 1 never clarified how successful the op would be. If speculative, it would give Joel a possible nod his way on the point, but Part 2 made it pretty clear it would have worked, so, what is this then

squidradio.bsky.social•8 days ago

Personally, I think Druck is dumb for saying this because it gives up how juvenile his writing is, if TLOU2 didn't spoil that for you already. Classic foot in mouth moment.

But, honest question: If Ellie knew, then was Joel stopping her choice (and lying to her) the right thing to do?

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