They’re deeply concerned these officials could find themselves facing inquiries and even indictments — especially since Trump announced the appointment of Kash Patel to lead the FBI. Patel has publicly vowed to pursue Trump’s critics.
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No one points out the irony in this? They want to protect people from blow back but are worried about the blow back for protecting people.
The simple thought experiment renders the whole thing unconstitutional. I’m pretty sure this shouldn’t be the conversation. It should be how to gitmo them.
These people deserve protection. They have given everything to this country. I would hate to see them leave this country but if they have to leave to be safe, so be it.
When Trump says he can shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it, which he has with every other crime he’s committed, that’s exactly what needs to happen. Now, it’s a matter of life or death for the former public officials who were only doing their job to protect the American people.
What you're dealing w/ isn't the party of Gerald Ford and Mark Hatfield, but instead world class screwballs who take their marching orders from some of the craziest f*ckers in the conservative universe. These people are nuts -- some of them so nutty you wonder if they are on drugs.
I wonder what would happen if Trump died, became incapacitated, or was removed under the 25th Amendment. I can see Vance trying the to use the 25th, which would be great, because not only would Trump be gone, the MAGAs would hate him for it!
Question: If the new administration is so lawless (they are), what makes anyone think they will honor pardons? Even if they do, will there be a sudden rash of people falling out windows?
I understand the impulse. But TSF will probably just make up new charges. These people do deserve some cover for the crime of... competently doing their jobs.
Preemptive pardons would be blanket pardons and cover any actions prior to Biden leaving office. Trump would go ballistic, since part of his reason for running again was to get revenge on his “enemies.”
They should offer a pardon to anyone -- media, military, government, etc. -- who wants it and thinks they need it to protect themselves, their finances and their family from the Gestapo
He is immune from prosecution, even though he hasn't committed any crimes. Everyone else should get the same protection. Even though none have committed crimes we are well aware of drumpfs plans to investigate and try to arrest them because they dared hold him accountable.
He should include himself. The immunity from prosecution only applies while he’s in office. He can be prosecuted for anything they make up. It would be the perfect 🖕🏻to Trump!
Their crimes are working for the greater good. Those in the red hat brigade hate that. The red hats are very effective at getting their minions to vote against their best interests. The wealth of the 1% must always be preserved.
For the crimes that are about to be unleashed upon them. The last thing Americans should be doing right now is underestimating what a sociopathic dictator is capable of.
But he *had* committed crimes for which he could have been tried and convicted. It’s a shame these innocent people will have their reputations sullied for having been good Americans serving their country honorably by having to accept pardons for crimes they did not commit.
Most people's minds are already made up. The Trumpists believe anything he says. The rest of us know that the people Biden pardons (IF he pardons them) would have been victims of WRONGFUL prosecution. Of course it's a shame, but the entire Trump era has been a shame.
A tough call. No crimes were committed. But "desperate times call for desperate measures." How can innocent patriots for democracy be protected from an Administration intent on prosecuting them for "trumped" up crimes?
Exactly. Look at all the time and tax money they wasted trying to find dirt so they could charge Hunter Biden and Joe Biden with taking bribes. There were no bribes!!!
Crimes they will make up, to Demings any of the ones who sought justice, or spoke truth against the orange fool. He’s a vindictive SOB & will use his power and cronies to try and destroy others
Patel said that if they can’t find a crime, they’ll be sued. Trump always accuses other people of what he’s guilty of doing, but here he is, planning to actually weaponize the justice system.
None. But with the impending Admin of Doom and Retribution, rules and the law are merely suggestions so crimes and charges will be made to fit as needed. Even if it’s ridiculous and illegal.
No! Democrats lost the election. As painful as that is, they didn’t do what had to be done to win. Let Republicans have the ability to make themselves look bad. Don’t take away their wish to infuriate the public.
Agree. It’s horrible. Elon Musk is a real danger as an unelected person controlling government. Having said that, let the Republicans show who they are the next 2 years. Ignorance allowed them to win election.
YES! These people need to be protected. Trump and his minions are going to go after every one that disagreed with Trump and they don't care to lie and cheat to do it. Bring on the pardons!!!
Do you really think that the ones that voted for Trump are going to admit that they made a mistake? I don't think there's anything bad enough that he can do that will make them change their minds. They saw his BS the last time and they voted for him again. You protect the people that tried to help!
I agree for 30% and maybe as high as 40% but I also think a lot of ignorant people voted Trump without knowing the issues. I also look at the millions who voted against Trump in 2020 who didn’t bother showing up to vote at all this time. Elections can be won if good people show up.
If they are able to falsely accuse, falsely imprison or worse to these people, why wouldn't we try to provide as much safety to them while we still can? There is no guarantee any rule of law is going to hold, but I don't like leaving them to the wolves when we know the are licking their chops.
Rule of law must be trusted. The process playing out will get people’s attention to Trumpism. Exposing him fully is how to win in the end. Blanket pardons is not the way to govern. It sets a dangerous precedent. GOP will blanket pardon their villains when Trump 2.0 is over
They will do it anyway though--and if that is the case, it just seems we should be protecting the good guys just as vehemently. After 9 years of this insanity if it doesn't already have people's attention, I don't think much will. I think we underestimate how dangerous MAGA is about to be.
I totally agree. That’s why it’s so depressing seeing millions less who voted Biden in 2020 choosing to not vote at all this time. We are a country of both ignorance and apathy. There was a clear path to better and people didn’t take it. It’s so disheartening.
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The simple thought experiment renders the whole thing unconstitutional. I’m pretty sure this shouldn’t be the conversation. It should be how to gitmo them.
But if things degenerate to that level, are they really going to let a pardon from the prez they claim is illegitimate stand in their way?
Somehow, I think more defensive actions would be necessary.
At the end he can drop his pen on the floor and walk away.