The other lesson is that the Bernie wings and the Warren wings must run with each other, not against each other. The reality is we are basically the same wing. Cannot let the narcissism of small differences destroy us—it helped us lose the 2020 primary and the Philadelphia mayoralty - ThreadSky

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social • 2 days ago

The other lesson is that the Bernie wings and the Warren wings must run with each other, not against each other. The reality is we are basically the same wing. Cannot let the narcissism of small differences destroy us—it helped us lose the 2020 primary and the Philadelphia mayoralty

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geminidrgn.bsky.social•1 day ago

I don't think that relationship turns that ugly without the instigating incident of attempting to use a personal anecdote to peel support long after it had become clear she had no path forward.

geminidrgn.bsky.social•1 day ago

The reaction was stupid, ugly, and damaging, but it was not without reason.

geminidrgn.bsky.social•1 day ago

The actual answer is agitating for RCV to change the incentive structure

lawsomepup.bsky.social•2 days ago

RCV is extremely helpful for this and a fun goal would be convincing the national party to adopt it.

atanae.bsky.social•1 day ago

To your point, Sanders himself was able to come to accord with Biden, and as a consequence, Sanders was given a lot of "clout" in Congress. The art of politics is in finding common cause and negotiate the differences. The Left remains too fractured. Maybe Mamdami will be a life lesson.

rolodexpropaganda.bsky.social•2 days ago

Only on bluesky could we talk about how the Bernie wing and Warren win are different…

mskathleenquinn.bsky.social•1 day ago

Instead of characterizing voters' deep concerns as "small differences" and "narcissism", open up the space to have honest conversations about human rights. The words you use make me think you are prepared to dismiss genocide or bodily rights and expect me to vote for economic issues.

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•1 day ago

Complete non-sequitur and also completely proving my point. Neither Warren nor Bernie ran *against* bodily rights or *for* genocide in 2020.

ectowombat.bsky.social•1 day ago

The extent to which the 2020 primary focused on Medicare Advantage plans is a little hard to believe in retrospect.

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•1 day ago

Do you mean Medicare for all? Medicare advantage is a different thing and is bad (privatized medicare)

ectowombat.bsky.social•1 day ago

I have no love for Medicare Advantage, but a third of seniors have opted into it (rightly or wrongly) which poses problems for the general election. For some of the left, its immediate elimination became a litmus test for Medicare for All™ that everyone but Sanders’s Medicare for all plans failed.

ectowombat.bsky.social•1 day ago

The idea that Harris and Warren’s plans to expand Medicare meant they “wanted poor people to die”, as I heard multiple times on Twitter, seemed unhelpful.

mskathleenquinn.bsky.social•1 day ago

I don't understand your attitude. The feedback you are getting is that you sound like the same old same old despite a new space opening for real change. Last I heard, Warren wants to codify Roe-- meaning, let's bring the police into the final months of pregnancy. Bernie won't give up on Zionism.

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•1 day ago

My attitude is that you consistently raise points that are bafflingly irrelevant. Sanders has also supported codifying Roe, and the daylight vetween warren and sanders on israel is in the opposite direction https://www.sanders.senate.gov/in-the-news/sanders-end-filibuster-to-codify-roe-v-wade/

mskathleenquinn.bsky.social•1 day ago

Why can't they change? Why is the advice to women that they compromise their bodily autonomy -- which will also sell out trans rights -- rather than to see something better is needed? Does anyone progressive still truly think Roe is fair to women? Or is your point that you want a "new centrism"?

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•1 day ago

What are you even talking about

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•1 day ago

Likewise I don’t those issues were not a dividing line between Rebecca Rhynhart and Helen Gym in the 2023 Philly mayoral election

davidstoptalking.bsky.social•2 days ago

How do we make the Clinton wing STFU and get out of the way?

acphila.bsky.social•1 day ago

turns out if you stop shitting on democrats people are more willing to vote for you. Blame the FASCISTS for FASCISM.

nanzhounoodles.bsky.social•2 days ago

RCV was a key factor in facilitating that here. Hopefully this cooperative model can get ported over to FPTP races now that there's a prominent success of the cooperate strategy.

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yeah I don’t know how we can replicate that in FPTP but we have to try

somethingbytes.bsky.social•2 days ago

Could we use tech to have a primary before the primary in fptp? Problem there is legitimacy really.

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•2 days ago

It could kind of work in a presidential primary bc that’s semi-proportional

nanzhounoodles.bsky.social•2 days ago

I think this example can provide comfort to progressive technocrats that coming under the socialist umbrella can actually pay off and not be electoral poison. Also shows how socialists hitting a couple technocratic shibboleths defuses a lot of the hostility without making you seem like a sellout.

rev-avocado.bsky.social•2 days ago

Both excellent points. A lot of us with more technocrat/wears-a-suit leanings need to learn that that mostly isn't good politics, and the politics people need to learn that we're part of the path to mainstream respectability and later governing well.

degolierthomas.bsky.social•2 days ago

I mean Mamdani has the charisma, but he seems to have some technocratic leanings

mskathleenquinn.bsky.social•1 day ago

Candidates and campaigns with uncompromising respect for universal human rights, civic equality and due process is the only opposition to MAGA that can energize the base hungry for direction. Obviously add local issue solutions, but without standing for human rights, no exceptions, who needs you?

prairiehouse.bsky.social•2 days ago

The "Warren wing"? I didn't know that existed. She just comes up with one insipid announcement after another.

bill-of-lefts.bsky.social•2 days ago

Thank you for making my point for me

prairiehouse.bsky.social•2 days ago

Np Pee Wee.

knassre.bsky.social•1 day ago

Here, you would really benefit from giving this article a full read: https://newrepublic.com/article/195300/democratic-tea-party-bernie-aoc-failed-succeed

prairiehouse.bsky.social•1 day ago

What do you believe this article is going to say, and why aren't you able to support whatever argument it has?

knassre.bsky.social•1 day ago

I read the entire article quite thoroughly last night, as it does a fantastic job explaining some of the underlying causes of Sanders' 2x losses vs why Mamdani did so well.

TL;DR: the "us vs Dems" mentality is a losing strategy. Mamdani won by running as the BETTER Democrat.

banditelli.org•2 days ago

I mean the Bernie wing knew this 😂

knassre.bsky.social•1 day ago

Here, you would really benefit from giving this article a full read: https://newrepublic.com/article/195300/democratic-tea-party-bernie-aoc-failed-succeed

jimbosaur.bsky.social•2 days ago

Brett, I voted for Bernie too, but you're literally just doing the thing bill is talking about here.

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