I just noticed a mirror situation here: *Faculty don't want students to use AI. **Students use AI anyway. * Educational developers don't want Faculty to use AI detectors. **Faculty use AI detectors anyway. SIGH - ThreadSky

mahabali.bsky.social • 99 days ago

I just noticed a mirror situation here:
*Faculty don't want students to use AI. **Students use AI anyway.
* Educational developers don't want Faculty to use AI detectors.
**Faculty use AI detectors anyway.

SIGH

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rmforsyth.bsky.social•99 days ago

Also a mirror: don't want students to use it, but interested in using AI for grading

mahabali.bsky.social•99 days ago

yes, yes, that one too!

gilesdrmartin.bsky.social•99 days ago

Plenty of faculty who don’t fall into either of these statements but what may be interesting is the venn diagram of those that do for both, or for first think simply banning is some answer here.
Country/uni issue for second too, don’t think mine would consider that as evidence, they don’t work…

mahabali.bsky.social•99 days ago

Oh not all our faculty fall into that first category. I'm just saying that there is such a category of faculty. Many are somewhere else totally.
I don't know (m)any faculty developers who endorse AI detectors, though. I know some who give in to faculty who will use em anyway

gilesdrmartin.bsky.social•99 days ago

I guess I’m curious whether it’s the same people in both categories and if so for similar reasons, but then what of others and their reasons?
(Naturally students reason for using things also of interests and also likely differ!)

mahabali.bsky.social•99 days ago

R u in UK? Most US folks I hear from on mailing lists and in live sessions (I give many to global audiences) still talk about AI detectors... and most educational developers still discourage their use. Mainly coz unreliable but also many other reasons. But unreliable argument for some reason fails

thedavenelson.bsky.social•99 days ago

My read of faculty is that it fails because of inertia. For the last 30 years, detection algorithms quickly found static and easily tracked passages obtained online and submitted in papers. This is a massive shift, and in the words of one admin, "it's a security blanket, but one they need for now"

thedavenelson.bsky.social•99 days ago

I disagree with the word "need", but it is linked to a very real human practice of historical patterns of knowing and doing. I don't begrudge faculty who take a while to discard it.

gilesdrmartin.bsky.social•99 days ago

Institutions have inertia too (sometimes for good reason). It’s pretty hard to adapt systems, change assessments, everything that goes with it, very quickly (approval timetables go over years here, in part from legal requirements).
I sympathise with those suddenly facing huge workloads from it all

gilesdrmartin.bsky.social•99 days ago

Yes. I think the U.K. discussion is quite different. Plus the QA and regulatory system means an academic can’t just decide their own approach.
U.K. uni’s pushed turnitin to include an off option for its detector, then turned it off.
I do hear some mention and use but tends to be non uni sector.

henrythe5thelement.bsky.social•99 days ago

I don’t think that’s a mirror situation exactly. The motivations are very different in each case and also, what AI detectors?

mahabali.bsky.social•99 days ago

Aren't all the detectors bad? Does it matter which one?

(Mirror situation in that we can't control it either way)

henrythe5thelement.bsky.social•99 days ago

That's really what I meant. All the detectors are bad, so nobody uses them.

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