Look we’ve all had these chats at conferences but to actually write it down is an interesting step - ThreadSky

adw.bsky.social • 5 days ago

Look we’ve all had these chats at conferences but to actually write it down is an interesting step

"The Exit Manual: How to Leave the Free Energy Cult and Still Get Tenure"

wow.

www.researchgate.net/publication/...

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adw.bsky.social•5 days ago

This one is definitely real: “The version dodge: “That’s not what the theory means anymore.”” This was a key move when a lot of good ecologically minded critiques came out

tah-sci.com•5 days ago

Hi - as an epidemiologist I can say that when Friston tried to do epidemic modelling, his work was very clearly without merit. But, the idea that humans behave a bit like Bayesian reasoning would suggest is rational seems both sensible and testable. It's interesting to see this comment.

tah-sci.com•5 days ago

The paper itself seems like more of a rant / humour article, but it would be very interesting to see what neuroscientists and others generally think - do they feel able to speak freely on this?

adw.bsky.social•5 days ago

I would have thought so; we aren’t that retiring a community :)

adw.bsky.social•5 days ago

It was verbatim what all the main FEP people said, and they meant it.

And the problem with Bayes theory stuff is just that while it may be a good description of data, whether it’s the mechanism generating the data is a bigger and less evidenced claim

tah-sci.com•5 days ago

Thanks - I can't emphasise enough how, well, *silly* actual specialists found Friston's epidemic models; we all make mistakes but to be so loudly and confidently wrong, claiming in the national press to have discovered "epidemiological dark matter" as Friston did ... This is not what serious >

tah-sci.com•5 days ago

> scientists do! It seems healthy to propose ambitious hypotheses and theories that can be tested, even to the point of raised eyebrows from colleagues, but not to insist on them somehow.

nmwilkinson.bsky.social•5 days ago

Did your collab paper address some of those issues in a satisfactory manner?

adw.bsky.social•5 days ago

Not really. Also I need to get back to that at some point 🤔

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