Yes. Indeed. But as they aren’t to be trusted, he leaves himself vulnerable for his head to be blowout to processing meat. By then we’ll all be fucked as well.
I don’t believe it is possible for Trump or all of the GOP to withdraw us from NATO. It would take 2/3 of the Senate. What he can do is make our involvement so minuscule that we are essentially useless.
Mike Lee you are shameful. Your legacy as a patriarch of your family will always be tarnished and an embarrassment to all associated with you. What happened to your moral fiber?
I feel like now is a good time to remind everyone that Mike Lee is a direct descendant of John Lee, leader of the Mormon militia that slaughtered 120 men, women and children in the Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1857.
Very wrong for Mike Lee to be chanting this on social media with our military personnel scattered across the globe on various bases. Mike Lee is a loose cannon. He threatens the security of every military connected person holding down the fort for us in foreign area. This kind of treason is obscene.
They ALL lost soldiers for us after 911... meanwhile trump was making up lies about "Muslims celebrating in Jersey" and him helping at ground zero. trump is the absolute worst of us 🤬
Probably time to create an EU military industrial complex with a significant Nuclear arsenal, a realignment of their trusted allies, and trade networks diversification including renewed diplomacy towards traditional foes
as a counterweight to US hegemony. #whatthey'rethinking
Utah is one of many states that sends hateful idiots to Washington. Kentucky is right up there as well. They need to up their game. There’s smart people in those states- they need to run for office.
But it’s okay to have Zionist assets in our government? WTF is the difference? All Jew influences out of our government. We lost because of the genocide. The masses are AATW or they believe the Zionists propaganda about the Oct 7th raid. Can’t beat Trump doing the same thing he’s doing. Your move.
Sane Republicans, some Republicans are starting to see that his DOGE closings are hurting their constituents. For example Alabama has 40,000 federal employees Georgia has 79,000 federal employees Florida has 94,000 federal employees etc.
Maybe we can't leave formally, but Terrorist Trump isn't having anything to do with them. He's doing his own thing. All of Nato should confront Putin by sending more weapons, etc.
Listen to Vances speech & Hegseths comments last week, then you hear how it will work. Hint: US concentrates on Asia, after cease-fire any aggression by RU on Europe while EU militaries guarantee Ukraine security will not be covered by Article 5 of NATO Treaty. Unlike 9/11 when Europe helped US.
Think they haven't visited about doing this? Hellooooo! You've got very dangerous, treasonous people, at this very moment, maneuvering your own country into something you would have never imagined prior to 2016. All based on 1 evil, unintelligent, gullible, cruel and corrupt man...DONALD J TRUMP
The United States is weaker without NATO. Why do they want to make the country weaker? Is it just irrational arrogance or is there some Russian money behind it?
My question has always been how does this help Trump and why go against American national interest? What could possibly motivate such obscenely hostile anti-American conduct by POTUS?
There is an analyst, I don't remember the name, who has been saying for some time that the ideologues behind Trump want to destroy the United States as it is known to create a global techno-feudalism, that Trump is not nationalist at all.
Someone should remind Mike Lee that the only time Article 5 — the most important if not defining article of the treaty — was invoked was after 9/11. Leaving NATO would open us up to attack and Canada et al wouldn’t have to lift a finger to help.
President Trump can not. There is a bill in place that requires that 2/3 of the Congress. There is also the fact that the US should not even dare to think about the posibility of betraying Europe more, or again for that matter. China is standing ready to take the US's place at a moments notice.
Yep. They want the US to become a Russian Satellite country, either officially or unofficially. Then Putin has a foothold to take Canada and Mexico. South American Countries are already joining BRICS so they're a given. Russian Empire expanded!
This is in the hands of the voters in each and every congressional district. A message has to be sent that this country is a Democratic Republic and we will remove you from office if you support this slide towards Communist/Fascist rule. I've done my part, have you?
Don't fall into the trap.
Trump is a tiny parenthesis. A hiccup of history.
In a few months, he will be gone.
Let's "sporulate" for a few months (suspend the US) but bring them back once they've fixed their dictatorship issue.
Good analogy.
Many pathogens have a quorum mechanism.
They stay dormant until they detect that they have reached a quorum sufficient to trigger an infection.
Same for fascism: you can't get rid of it 100% but you can prevent a quorum.
Trump is a catalyst. Inhibiting the catalyst stops the reaction.
Exactly. If Trump popularity plunges significantly, he will take the GOP politicians with him.
They don't want to lose their seat and their benefits.
Therefore, GOP revolt will not wait for the mid term elections but will progressively grow stronger.
This is why Trump & Musk are in Blitzkrieg mode.
Dominant are always a minority. As per definition of a trophic pyramid.
Pre-election warnings coming from the dem side were judged exaggerated and alarmist by the silent majority.
You can bet they're not anymore.
Fascism dies when sheep masquerading as wolves understand real wolves are after them.
If you honestly think that him being gone “in a few months” will save us you better look at what Vance has been up to. The entire world is f***** no matter what at this point. It really is every man for himself and tRumpov and his minions did this to all of us.
At some point Trump will have to sacrifice Musk to survive politically.
Yet M could take revenge and try to bring him down in the same deadly embrace. But he knows too many things (e.g. abt the elections "statistical improbabilities"). So M might disappear violently. Kind of Caesar and Pompey story.
Vance himself can't rule the GOP.
Caesar's murder triggered a fierce civil war... the result of which was the Roman Empire.
Yet history doesn't always repeat itself verbatim. It stammers.
That latest development is unlikely in my opinion.
Vance has the entire tech mafia backing him up. All gov’t computers are being set up so that only they can do anything with them. No computers when Caesar was assassinated….. The coup has already began. TRumpov will have an “aneurism” soon and the tech bros will slide right in…. As planned.
Many "hiccups" through history have wiped out civilizations. And honestly, this little experiment, called "democracy" is aging out, History is littered with them
There was no Internet in the age of Sylla, Hitler, or Stalin.
Since WWII, the number of democracies has steadily increased. Many dictators have met their end, sometimes violently. Pinochet, Qaddafi, Mussolini, Ceausescu, Galtieri, Idi Amin Dada, Mobutu, Bagbo... just to name a few.
There are simply too many deceived MAGA hot heads around armed with big rifles for this to end up peacefully.
And that number is only going to increase.
It's just a matter of time and big numbers.
Mark my words.
How else will he be able to invade Canada we are in NATO, best way ..exit NATO...we are surrounded..China and Russia patrols the artic, trump wanting in,big time, an ocean between Canada and Europe we are sitting ducks. However, we will never surrender.
My understanding is that if a NATO member is attacked, the other member nations will help to defend. At this point, I want us out so Fuckface can TRY to invade Canada and get his fat orange ass shipped to The Hague. I welcome occupation now. We may not survive otherwise.
The blue states i the USA that did not vote for Trump should make their own union and stop financing the red states. And after that they can become a member of Nato.
Yes. Surreal
And sad to know that millions of Americans, don’t know what freedom cost, and don’t know that they’re fighting to keep that freedom every time they vote.
When I was thirty years old, I cast my one and only vote for Republican, Reagan! I am Seventy Five years old now, and still ashamed of that vote! These fools will never lose the stain of supporting a Russian Asset, just like I still carry the stain of voting for a Union busting liar! Never Again!💙
TY, I grew up in a Democrat, Union family, my Pops and I had a falling out over that vote, When he was on his deathbed, he asked me if I was still a Republican? I was a Local Union President at that time, I told him NO! He smiled and said , Good!❤️🤗
I'm glad you cleared the air with him. That had to feel good. We can only do what we think is best in the moment - the rest is experience and a willingness to adapt. Sounds like you nailed it!
In other news, water is wet. Good article but his fixation on Russia should have been a concern long ago. Hillary tried to warn us. Our current Republican chicken hawks who used to see Russia as a threat are now strangely silent on the matter.
Fascists throughout history have executed the hostile takeover of the press. When Drumpf defended the brutal murder of an American journalist, that's when it became 100% obvious we're on track to selling out to the highest bidder.
I feel that for the time being, Trump won't pull out of NATO, the USA veto would be pretty much the only thing preventing ukraine from joining and enjoying all the protection that came with it.
We are at a point where NATO may decide the US can no longer play in their sandbox. The US govt is not trustworthy and is far too compromised. US inclusion in this coalition undermines the coalition. The enemy has hacked the govt from the inside. Hoped I would never see this day. Here we are.
European leaders are meeting in an emergency session today to discuss the Ukraine situation in light of Vance's comments and conduct in Munich. The US is not invited to participate.
Europe knows the US has become a massive liability to its peace and stability.
As a european, I'm sad to say your last sentence is correct. But if the hostility and arrogance shown by Vance in Munich stings Europe into developing stronger military and political structures, then, ironically, he's done us, and the free world, a big favour.
I can not say as I disagree with you. Europe has too long allowed the US a special status it hasn't warranted for 40 years.
Hopefully, having confirmed for themselves the US government is Nazi-adjacent (at best), Europe will double-time getting free of Uncle Sam's grubby mitts.
I can’t believe that all the idiots have voted for the GOP. They backstab their constituents. How many GOP voters will suffer from their bad decision to vote for the GOP.
Mike, not supportive of your delusional and self-serving efforts to be a mouthy Trump sycophant nor with 45/47's efforts to make our democracy into a fascist state. You and Trump can go fuck yourselves with a Russian hammer and sickle.
The Musk Aviation Response Team PR after an Airline Crash: Big Plane Go Up, Whoosh Whoosh Engines Make, Engines Stop Whoosh Whoosing, Plane Fall Down, Go Boom!
Time to protest outside this nazi's house in the middle of the night! No peace, no rest, no sleep for him or his family until he puts country over party and power 😤
It'll be interesting to see if they do, before he pulls us out. I agree with you. But I hope they know they have a whole bunch of allies here still; almost half of us or more.
The Electoral College has provided rural whites with undeserved expanded electoral power since its inception. It's an unfair advantage, and it needs to go.
Honestly, as a kiwi - we always had huge trust in you… as did the UK, as did Canada, as did Europe, as did Australia. Etc. History had given us that trust. Are we 4 weeks into Trump 2.0? It has totally changed - it’s very very sad
Unless the U.S.A wakes up and wakes real soon, Russia will win. Some say Russia has already won. Are you going to fight to take your country back or just roll over and cower?
Most of the same civilized world including this country this is fascism 101 and giving into autocratic rule and not democracy you need to resign you are a traitor to the American people Mr Lee.
This is exactly what putler wants. Undermine NATO from within and this allows him to attack, take over all European countries. He said, he wants an empire from Lisbon to Vladivostok. WASF.
There are many many of us who stand in solidarity with Canada. Sadly, especially in low information voters, they actually believed that trump would bring the price of groceries down. They love the theatrics of ICE "raids" even though we will have no one to support our economy.
we’re brokenhearted 💔 Americans. We didn’t vote for Trump. We don’t want issues with any country. I love visiting Canada because Everyone’s so kind and nice. What happened at the hockey rink was terrible.
Don’t turn your back on the good guys in America. We need as much back up as possible.
Up here we understand that. We can’t believe what we are seeing and we sympathize with Americans who must be horrified to see what is happening to their beloved country. I hope that one day I’ll be able to visit there again, but I fear that is a long way off.
Do you know how many of us cry everyday over what Donald and Elon are doing to our Country. Over 75 million people voted against them and there are even more that you can add to that total. We hate what they’re doing to our Country.
NATO assisted us after 911 and fought with us. Many parents lost children to assist us in the war. It was the first time The Collective Defense clause was used. Now we're spitting on them and siding with dictators but again nothing to see here.
Mike Lee you were instrumental in 1/6. Your state has sexual abuse of children issue. Therapists, doctors, politicians, elders and the entire LDS church just paid billions to victims
Better withdraw then be expelled, I supposed... Nest time USA get attacked, like in September 2001, Canada and Europe will watch and do nothing to help them...
Quite something especially when you consider the one and only time in it's 75 year history that Article 5 has ever been enacted was in the defense of the United States after 9.11.
Sure Mike, why not?!?! Withdraw all American troops & bring them all home … starting tomorrow!! The US could join BRICS with ruzzia & china & it could become UBRICS, because America 1st. The ruzzian propagandists are cheering Trump and Tulsi & welcoming them to show fealty to poutine & Xi. Effin’ 🤬🤬
The issue is these guys (Maga) truly believe they are the entire world and we all need them so much! Wait a year or two, they will find out that the "Fuck around and find out" quote is real!
#Felon47 announced US to leave NATO and sign up with #Vladtheinvader in the Warsaw Pact. #Felon47 also announced the US will be renamed USSR United States of Suckholes to Russia
Further calls to isolate U.S. and Russia. It will force the remaining members to create a EU, Britain, Canada, South America defence force without you. The whole US will suffer from economic failure and world wide embarrassment. Except China will laugh all the way.....
Like to know what all the countries who contributed to HELPING the US for the last few wars lost in personnel and money , and if they can get compensation , maybe some resources from the US???
Lee is Moscow Center's man, just like in the novel. See where the allegiance lies. Lee has no morals apparently, just whatever comes out of the cult leader's ice cream hole is law.
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It's not like Russia just removed America from the global stage and disabled America's nuclear...oh right.
Arrested in 1870 and executed in 1877.
Family legacy seems to be on point…
I guess he plans to attack a NATO member then with his ally.
as a counterweight to US hegemony. #whatthey'rethinking
One of THE most un-American Senators to sully the halls of the Capitol.
https://thehill.com/homenews/4360407-congress-approves-bill-barring-president-withdrawing-nato/
Name your own Gulf!!! You choice!
https://www.kaine.senate.gov/in-the-news/congress-approves-bill-barring-presidents-from-unilaterally-exiting-NATO
NATO
He is, as he claims, the Chosen One
I mean who was not able to see that in the way he treats his “allies”.
America is a rogue pariah state, no different than North Korea or Russia.
NATO makes America great.
These isolationist imbeciles are making us less prosperous, less safe and less respected.
I hope more than ever that there is a judgement day after death so they can roast in hell.
Trump is a tiny parenthesis. A hiccup of history.
In a few months, he will be gone.
Let's "sporulate" for a few months (suspend the US) but bring them back once they've fixed their dictatorship issue.
Many pathogens have a quorum mechanism.
They stay dormant until they detect that they have reached a quorum sufficient to trigger an infection.
Same for fascism: you can't get rid of it 100% but you can prevent a quorum.
Trump is a catalyst. Inhibiting the catalyst stops the reaction.
All it takes is a few good men (probably gonna be mostly female jurists, TBH)
They don't want to lose their seat and their benefits.
Therefore, GOP revolt will not wait for the mid term elections but will progressively grow stronger.
This is why Trump & Musk are in Blitzkrieg mode.
Pre-election warnings coming from the dem side were judged exaggerated and alarmist by the silent majority.
You can bet they're not anymore.
Fascism dies when sheep masquerading as wolves understand real wolves are after them.
Yet M could take revenge and try to bring him down in the same deadly embrace. But he knows too many things (e.g. abt the elections "statistical improbabilities"). So M might disappear violently. Kind of Caesar and Pompey story.
Caesar's murder triggered a fierce civil war... the result of which was the Roman Empire.
Yet history doesn't always repeat itself verbatim. It stammers.
That latest development is unlikely in my opinion.
Since WWII, the number of democracies has steadily increased. Many dictators have met their end, sometimes violently. Pinochet, Qaddafi, Mussolini, Ceausescu, Galtieri, Idi Amin Dada, Mobutu, Bagbo... just to name a few.
And that number is only going to increase.
It's just a matter of time and big numbers.
Mark my words.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/an-anti-biden-conspirator-ron-johnson-doing-bidding-russia/
WTF … it took our Douchelord in Chief less than a month to turn our GOVERNMENT into the enemy of democracy.
It will take heroic action to stop him.
And sad to know that millions of Americans, don’t know what freedom cost, and don’t know that they’re fighting to keep that freedom every time they vote.
Every.Time.They.Vote
"WE THE PEOPLE"
say
ABSOLUTELY NOT! 🤷♀️
As it should.
Death to NATO.
Glory to The Third World.
https://apnews.com/article/05133dbe63ace98766527ec7d16ede08
His taste is much more gaudy.
We leave nato then anyone can invade us and not one country will come to our aid!
He's disgusting.
Europe knows the US has become a massive liability to its peace and stability.
Hopefully, having confirmed for themselves the US government is Nazi-adjacent (at best), Europe will double-time getting free of Uncle Sam's grubby mitts.
75 million people is @ 20% of the population, and @ 30% of voting age Americans.
Is a traitor to both
Okay! Stupid fucks
We have already de facto left NATO, since Trump cannot be trusted to honor ANY US commitments (even those he brokers).
So NATO would be more effective without a petulant toddler standing in the way.
I AM CANADIAN
Don’t turn your back on the good guys in America. We need as much back up as possible.
Embarrassed American
I AM AMERICAN
Our government can no longer be trusted by those on the world stage or those here at home.
Good Lord, this is not a drill.
So disappointed in 48% of my fellow American voters.
The only way this makes sense is to assume that Trump and his acolytes are Russian assets. It is now crystal clear.
Every. Fucking. Time.
🤡
Period.
Someone should ask him what happened since then to change his mind.