I want more of this design space specifically when it comes to TCGs, I don't know if it's more shocking that I've only seen it in Yugioh and Flesh and Blood or that both games only seem to have really done it once. - ThreadSky

uncrownedjules.bsky.social • 66 days ago

I want more of this design space specifically when it comes to TCGs, I don't know if it's more shocking that I've only seen it in Yugioh and Flesh and Blood or that both games only seem to have really done it once.

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kanokarob.bsky.social•66 days ago

Superheavy Samurai works similarly, and one could argue Time-Tearing Morganite also sort of sits in this niche

thomazsardinha.bsky.social•66 days ago

I think the companions in mtg should've been something like this, but they were too cracked

sublimenol.bsky.social•66 days ago

Gorilla Titan is buffed for having no cards in GY.

uncrownedjules.bsky.social•66 days ago

I suppose that does count, but I guess in my head I'm imagining like "effects so good it's genuinely worth building your deck around their steep downside of removing vital card types from your build entirely"

sublimenol.bsky.social•66 days ago

I think the thing with that is after a while the steep downsides stop being downsides and the effect costs are just seen as a deck archetype. Graveyard Matters/self mill/discard decks all started as steep cost concepts but are now just accepted avenues.

uncrownedjules.bsky.social•66 days ago

Yeah, it's a really fine line to walk. You need to make the downside really backbreaking to really future proof it as a downside. And even then both of these cards with massive downsides do have a few strats than can almost freeroll them because of how they play.

prinrin.bsky.social•66 days ago

Does epic count?

uncrownedjules.bsky.social•66 days ago

Like the MTG Keyword? not really imo, that's locking you into one card for the rest of the game, these are powerful cards that force you to not run a vital card type in your deck to use them properly

rheynaterror.bsky.social•66 days ago

Nourishing Emptiness is my favorite card, and also my favorite card to play after Dread Screamer with a clean graveyard

k13205.bsky.social•66 days ago

Pokemon did a trio of "no supporter" cards in Silver Tempest, and yeah, that might be fun to see more of. That's probably the only "no X" they could do: Pokemon and Energy wouldn't work for how it's designed, Stadiums and Tools are easy enough to ignore, and Items are too ubiquitous to cut out.

siberianrabbit.bsky.social•66 days ago

Apex doesn't completely stop you from playing resources, but that's still a fairly harsh restriction

uncrownedjules.bsky.social•66 days ago

My brain rapidly oscillates between loving and hating that this game calls your hand "your grip"

siberianrabbit.bsky.social•66 days ago

70% of all my failed attempts to teach Netrunner to people stopped at "So MY hand is called the grip, while YOUR hand is actually HQ please put down that gun"

phlip45.bsky.social•66 days ago

The runner side makes sense. Your deck is a stack of cards, you grip the cards in your hand, and you throw away your cards in a heap. When I teach Corp side i resort to HQ = Handquarters, R&D = Research and Deckvelopment, and Archives is the other one.

siberianrabbit.bsky.social•66 days ago

Umori the Collector sort of works in this space, with the additional caveat that you can't compare it to either of those because it sucks penis schlong

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