That doesn't make logical sense. You don't like to block because you don't want to stifle sensible debate. Yet you have blocked everyone on X, by limiting replies, which has stifled debate. You don't debate on X. - ThreadSky

mikehinford.bsky.social • 5 days ago

That doesn't make logical sense.
You don't like to block because you don't want to stifle sensible debate. Yet you have blocked everyone on X, by limiting replies, which has stifled debate.
You don't debate on X.

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country-air.bsky.social•4 days ago

Sounds like victim blaming! Personally, I think corporations and lobbyists that sell and promote products that have a high level of pollution and cause ill health effects is similar to the tobacco industry. Disgusting!

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•4 days ago

Limiting replies and blocking are two different things. Look at the replies tab - we still debate

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•4 days ago

Otherwise it just looks like you don’t want your customers to hear experiences of neighbours having their health impacted. That would put many people off installing a stove if they realised it would cause friction and could put a neighbour in hospital. (2/2)

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•4 days ago

As Mike says, block the abusive accounts, not everyone. There are valid debates to be had on here, but it needs to be a two way discussion. Blocking people who only post abusive rants or rudeness with no evidence or logical arguments seems reasonable, not just blocking for disagreement. (1/2)

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•4 days ago

You clearly don't want your customers to see anything negative that would put them off installing a stove. So you obviously don't feel confident enough that your answers are addressing the points we are making. Customers will be less likely to click on the reply tab, so won't impact sales as much.

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•4 days ago

We don't want our customers to have to read vile and racist comments! We have no problems backing our products and making the case for good wood burning. We even hope to convince you one day😉

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•4 days ago

Also some remarks about science deniers, but again many of the stove trolls admit to this, Sooty the sweep proudly boasts about it, stating that scientists don’t know anything about the real world (he thinks PhDs are for idiots!) and "only chimney sweeps know the truth".

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•4 days ago

Worst I’ve seen is jokes about "cavemen", which may seem cruel out of context, however it is a light hearted response to a common wood burning enthusiasts favourite line -“we’ve been doing it since the stone age” If we didn’t laugh we’d cry! Do they want to go back to other stone age hygiene habits?

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•4 days ago

Have never seen anything “vile and racist” from clean air campaigners, only your customers. Including the suggestion that asthma and other symptoms aggravated by wood smoke are psychosomatic and that asthmatics and other vulnerable people would be better off dead so they can carry on burning!

mikehinford.bsky.social•4 days ago

No you don't. Looking at the last 10 posts from you on X, only 2 have replies.
4 replies in total. 2 from Jay Scarlett, 1 one from a chimney sweep. And then 1 from Adrienne. She asked a question, which you ignored.
You are definitely not debating on X, and not allowing debate.

bettertimes.bsky.social•2 days ago

They don’t like answering any questions which will show that they are wrong!

mikehinford.bsky.social•4 days ago

Sorry that meant to say 3 posts have replies.

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•4 days ago

You are right we don’t reply to everything mainly because of time. One question though: does our replying make any difference? We engage because we want to understand better the issues so we can design better products - but does it help you in anyway? 1/2

bettertimes.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yes it does make a difference. If you are prepared to be honest about difficult questions where you may not be seen in the best light we may have a breakthrough! This is so like the debate with the Tobacco Industry!

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•4 days ago

2/2 We know one person has blocked us because she’s got upset and that is not our intention and is sad. So just wondering if our engagement is worthwhile. That’s why it may be better to have a teams/zoom discussion. What do you think?

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•2 days ago

She was understandably furious as you condoned Jason Scarlett ranting about her and refused to apologise. I sympathise as you accused me of being “a bit confused” when it was you that quoted the wrong data! (1/2)

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•2 days ago

That says it all really! You don't want to debate, you want to lecture us that we must accept being poisoned in our own homes. We've been willing to answer anything you ask as we are confident we can refute any of your claims with facts. (1/2)

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•2 days ago

You want to stifle the conversation with spin that shows you only think of your profits. If you care about clean air, write a blog about neighbours experiences and ask your customers for some consideration before they install in residential areas. (2/2)
https://www.labc.co.uk/news/chimneys-and-flues-dont-forget-neighbours

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•2 days ago

So the"understand each other better" just applies to you in order to provide ammunition for your blog? No consideration for our need to understand your reasoning for selling stoves in SCAs which have destroyed our lives? Do you think we want to be clean air campaigners? Most have been forced into it

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•2 days ago

Not at all - we are happy to discuss and in fact we have even offered to meet with you - the offer is still open. We just want it to be helpful to you, and if so we are happy to keep engaging. We take seriously your concerns which is why we are developing products that we hope will help.

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