The Bundestag’s top intelligence experts are calling for a European spy network, warning that Europe can’t rely on intelligence from the United States amid growing uncertainty.
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The damage done by Trump will not be easily repaired. If Trump thinks Russia will come to US aid - he is even more crazy than we think. Canada, Europe, Australia have been there.No more.
I've got an idea. I don't know how much Europe needs the signal intelligence gathered at Pine Gap by the CIA, but if they double the rent offer, 2 peppercorns, I for one would be in favour. Anything to screw Trump.
Forget about "floating" the idea and start making it happen! I as an American do not trust our current administration and Europe is now finding out the hard way that relying too heavily on ANY one "apparent" ally is a very flawed strategy.
I think the past few weeks would have been confirmation of that. But I will be rather annoyed if this has not already been developed. They had warnings during his first term.
Good luck with that, Germany. As a practical matter, the US still maintains unparalleled intelligence capabilities. And the Europeans know this. They also know that several of their own services are penetrated by RIS. They need us as much as we need them.
Trump only see costs in global security without imagining the costs of the global insecurity or those to have stronger competitors on the international stage that could follow his actions : this "burden", in the future, could reveal itself, by its absence, to have been, in fact, an invaluable asset.
100% true. Europe knows Trump will simply deliver EU intelligence to Putin like he did w/ the 000’s of stolen top secret docs he flaunted at Mar-a-Traitor.
Of course Europe should have their own spy network. You can no longer rely on the U.S. and its Traitor Brigade regime. Build the network and ensure that you are closely monitoring the Fascist Dictators who have hijacked America.
As well as the EU strengthening their own intelligence gathering capabilities, the Five Eyes members should be doing the same where a future removal of the US might be necessary. What kind of meaningful intel will be shared by a country that has made their alliance to Putin and his ilk plain.
Trump and his Russophile enablers would give up the UK to Putin in a heartbeat. The British would do well to disentangle that relationship ASAP. Because if the justification for not doing so is the loss of US intelligence coming their way, the British should assume any they get is likely suspect.
We can no longer rely on the US, we simply can’t trust them. We have to learn to rely on ourselves. What a great time to have left the EU! If Brexit wasn’t bad enough before, we are entering a new era, where we in the U.K. will need our EU neighbours more than ever.
Yes - certain partners from Europe plus 5 Eyes less US plus other interested and trustworthy parties (Korea, Japan, Taiwan) who might also be fearful about US support going forward
Europe should develop a European SIGINT service with satellites, monitoring stations, custom designed equipment, "tailored access", etc. Intelligence should be shared across Europe on a need to know basis to ensure secrecy. In addition it should cooperate with other allied services.
While Trump is president, it is impossible to count on the United States for anything. European countries need to send Ukraine military equipment to ward off Putin! If European countries are to defeat Russia, they must realize the US will not help them.
A good step, but merely sharing the intelligence is not enough. Europe should look for ways to actually gather intelligence together as well as conduct operations together.
Many intelligence agencies duplicate the effort, leading to inefficient use of resources.
I thought would've learned these lessons during Turnip's first term. If the United States is incapable of protecting itself from imbecilic authoritarian wannabes, then they are not a reliable partner in anything.
If America doesn’t want to lead anymore, then get the hell out of the way. So sick of Trump’s bullshit hurting so many people around the world. And media indulging him with your shitty questions and no challenge; try holding him accountable for lies, you know, “journalism”!😡
Float it? The US is fcked under the lead orange cockwombles dismantling of democracy. All crooks and liars out to make a buck and the rest of the world be damned. The stable genius plays golf while America struggles and Ukraine suffers the most aggregious and reckless assault via a pro putin 47 a$$.
There is no way the US can any longer be considered a trustworthy partner and ally.
Europe should definately deploy its own satelites for intelligence pursposes.
Also military contracts should be upended as soon as possible as the bought equipment rely on coorporation, to be functional.
Maybe I’m naive but I’m sure Europe’s secret intelligence folk (the clue is in the description) have been contingency planning for some time. The fact it’s being spoken about openly is a clear indication that the public and political leaderships are ready for life without US participation
I highly recommend the book Book and Dagger by Elyse Graham about the creation of US military Intel aft WWI. Since liberal arts degrees have been derided for yrs we've lost the ability to think deeply, critically, and strategically.
When Europe settles on a solution for this well thought out, intricately planned, slow moving coup, maybe they’ll come to democracy’s defense. MAGA can’t infiltrate MI6 BND DGSE CNI PET or CSIS. Remember..
“As goes America, so goes the world”
I cant believe the last administration didnt have the sense to burn all the shit confiscated from Krasnov's resort once it was determined the shitbag had won. Did they not realize a petty man like him would want to retake everything?
I don't think EU-eyes will have the same level of trust and interoperability as five eyes, soon to be "nice intel, four-eyes!"
But if there's no European intelligence agency already, it's about time to establish one. But I suspect it would be a handful of trustworthy countries only, not pan-European
They're right, you can't trust anything coming out of the US right now. Especially since every most of the politicians on both sides of the aisle seem to have no balls.
I know that we have a lot of very capable and talented people in the US Intel community but I wouldn’t trust that some political toady wouldn’t modify any intel shared even outside of that agency let alone to allies.
Europe is doing everything with a huge delay. After all, everything was clear already on November, 6. Although even before, the US was an unreliable partner and a lot of information leaked to the kremlin.
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I hope the first thing that BND, MI6, DGSE and other European intelligence agencies do when they get together, is release their intel on President Krasnov and his cronies. Particularly the interaction with Putin and Russian agents.
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Speaking as someone who lives in the States, yeah, you guys definitely need an alternative source for your intel since our leaders believe in "alternative facts."
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I certainly hope Europe seizes the moment!
#CancelF35
The trump administrative is a russian proxy and a symptom of the moral rot in the USA. We cannot be trusted.
Many intelligence agencies duplicate the effort, leading to inefficient use of resources.
Europe should definately deploy its own satelites for intelligence pursposes.
Also military contracts should be upended as soon as possible as the bought equipment rely on coorporation, to be functional.
Trump has made his position clear.
America stinks of death, rubles and vodka, Is a Russian oblast now.
“As goes America, so goes the world”
But if there's no European intelligence agency already, it's about time to establish one. But I suspect it would be a handful of trustworthy countries only, not pan-European
If it acts like an enemy and bullies like an enemy would, then...
I hope the first thing that BND, MI6, DGSE and other European intelligence agencies do when they get together, is release their intel on President Krasnov and his cronies. Particularly the interaction with Putin and Russian agents.
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