declaring Jews are some evil "x" (ie; White, which they are not) and then using a redefined dog whistle term (ie; (((zionism))) ) to justify terrorizing and killing Jews is pretty classic Communist behavior
congrats, that's probably the dumbest thing I've read at bluesky
ur post look like something that came right from twitter, it's so wrong that look like a bait
You cannot be genetically entitled to land for all of time, unless you believe I have the right to murder people in Germany and steal their homes—and I’m WAY closer to living in Germany than modern Jews to old Israel.
Also: “Amerindian” is a colonialist term that’s largely thought of in the modern day like “negro” or “Oriental.” It might not be outright hateful, but it’s deeply backwards and disrespectful.
I didn’t say everyone, please cut the hysterics, and the situations aren’t equivalent:
- The Jews have not been living there under their oppressor the whole time
- Native American genocide didn’t happen 2000 years ago
- Native Americans aren’t doing genocide against white Americans
Jews. There is only one place in the world where Jews have always lived for as long as there have been Jews: Judea. Many many years after the birth of the Jewish people, some Europeans (Roman empire) came in, raped the Jewish homeland, and forcibly renamed it under the slave name "Syria Palaestina."
It was a rhetorical question. It was meant to highlight the inconsistency of pro-palestine militants who ardently negate right-to-land to the native Jews of Judea, but support it for Amerindians in the Americas.
Gotcha. Yeah. It's really interesting when these people bring up tribal American indigenous rights but tell the Jews to move on an give up the possibility of self determination.
No problem. Throughout this thread that’s has been their chief argument and they deflected every time I rebuked them. Those are people whose entire worldview comes down to America = bad; not America = not bad. It becomes much simpler once you understand that.
I saw an interesting case on Reddit recently that things would have been better off if the US had lost the revolution. And honestly, I find it incredibly tempting to think that.
The argument has been made that fascism is the logic of colonialism brought back to Europe. The Nazis said the same about the lands the considered Germanic. And of course the hostility to immigration in the present day has similar undercurrents.
But also, my historically illiterate fuckweasel, white settlers described Native Americans the same ways you describe Palestinians and Lebanese folks. Used alll the same arguments.
You're on the side of genocide. Hopefully that will cost you, someday.
Seriously? About 400 years of genocide of my people is not enough? Is it because I am Ukrainian, not Palestinian? Hamas leaders hug Russian leaders and have money from Russia. Until you liberate your land from Hamas, Palestinians will be treated like Russians - with contempt.
I asked a rhetorical question about whether you, a person, not every Ukrainian, YOU, deserve to be killed for your country allying with Nazis. Obviously, you do not, which means that Russians who aren’t involved in the invasion also cannot be guilty.
You yourself understood what you wrote,because I did not understand.And yes, I consider every russian who remains silent and does not protest against the criminal authorities in his country to be guilty. For some reason, people in Iran are not afraid to protest, but the situation there is terrible.
America is where fascism went to survive and keep fighting communism after WW2. Today it is a fully realized fascist state that, with typical American extravagance, has two separate fascist parties that hate each other and only work together to genocide Muslims, immigrants, and the homeless.
America is where fascism was dry-run before an Austrian used their model to do his own extemination of a people, and then rescued 1600 of the perpetrators to do an iterative model
We haven't forgotten it, you've always selectively defined and applied it to exonerate yourself and those you support.
When did the Allies defeat fascism in Spain or Portugal? Was the Estado Novo a founding member of NATO? Who funded the Years of Lead and ran the School of the Americas?
(1) The Holocaust Encyclopedia defines fascism as "a far-right political philosophy, or theory of government, that emerged in the early twentieth century. Fascism prioritizes the nation over the individual, who exists to serve the nation." and as "an ultranationalist, authoritarian political...
A country where people believe “ran away from the police” deserves street execution? A country where people believe that their religious norms should be enforced on everyone else by the state?
Who told you we weren’t authoritarian?
Was it the people in control of this country?
So the extermination of an indigenous peoples, white supremacism, militarised society and police, largest prison population on earth per capita, highest infant mortality in G20, constant population surveillance, being at war for all but 18 years of the nations existence; that's all just an accident?
About surveillance: Sometimes I think that Bin Laden won, because there were already surveillance agencies before, but after the terrorist attack, surveillance became omnipresent due to the patriotic act.
No one can get it out of my head that this was what Bin Laden wanted.
I mean, the US has been all about tending to unfettered surveillance since McCarthy, so I'm not sure what Bin Laden was intending matters so much as three letter agencies looking for an excuse to be bigger perverts
Just half right.
Although there are groups for whom this is true, it is not correct to generalize. Just as it was not generalized to Christians or Jews.
Were dealt with state policies. Israel, United States and Hitler Germany.
The Qur'an places jihad as an obligation and the Bible evangelization.
but christians and islams don't necessarily take this as policy like hitler, usa and israel did. some Islamic groups do, others do not.
There are intolerant groups everywhere. The problem occurs when these groups assume positions of power. And yes, there are island nations that have these groups in power
No surprise that the US is bending over backwards to support israel. If we acknowledged what they are doing is wrong we’d have to acknowledge that what we did was wrong (we should)
Bitches don’t realize God never gave anyone the right nor authority to violent take land from another human being. We are expected to live together in peaceful harmony as friends and neighbors, solving our differences in civility and dialogue.
Zionism is a SECULAR movement. That you ignore the SECULAR nature of the movement, and instead talk about "God" and "promised land" you are admitting that your attack is on Jews; religious Jews for that matter.
I've also seen a lot of people assume that since Hamas is openly fighting for religious reasons, Israel must also fight for religious reasons. Like no way could a religious faction attack a secular group, that's just unheard of. Whatever goes on, anywhere and anytime, both sides must do it. 🙄
Your Soviet antisemitism is every bit as disgusting and vile as the right wing Nazi antisemitism coming out of the MAGAs. Your rhetoric is every bit as horrible as that of Trump's. You are acting no more like an ally to Jews than Trump is. Is that what you want?
Zionism is like Schrondiger’s secularism. Simultaneously representing all Judaism when convenient while also claiming to be a separate when they their government does something bad. To be clear, I agree with that second one. The US and Israel have laws claiming anti Zionism is antisemitic.
Well the Israeli government represents Israelis, not Jews. That's the point. It's not a Jewish ethnostate, and definitely not a Jewish supremacist apartheid. It's a state that represents Israelis, as much as any state represents its citizens.
And it's fighting for its survival against a group that wants to murder Israelis and Jews as a whole, because Jews represent a threat to their appropriated heritage.
There’s a reason antisemitism rises when Israel bombs a hospital. They associate themselves with the American Jewish populace. It’s used as a shield from criticism when people criticize the Israeli government. I say this as a Jew, who was raised Zionist.
You're speaking as an anonymous person. You're telling a Jew, who stands here without the protective benefit of anonymity and speaking over them. You don't even seem to know what it means to be a Jew, but you claim to be one?
Love when my Judaism comes into question because I don’t toe the line when it comes to a government committing genocide under the guise of my protection.
For all I know you’re a christofascist who wants my people to be in Jerusalem so they can be killed to fulfill your messianic prophecy.
I pray you’ll get it and in 2025 one of my goals is to advocate for that cause in whatever capacity I’m able given that I’m the descendant of one of those that stole it.
So much suffering unaccounted for. So much impunity. However, the way empires go down in history would have us believe that impunity won't last much longer.
It's an interesting comparison. I'd say the Americans had less of a claim to the land than the Israelis though. Not saying it makes Israel's actions alright but there is a difference between just moving in and killing all resistance Vs being given land that your forefathers lived on.
Forefathers? All our forefathers are African if one takes that stance. I guess anybody can claim Egypt or Algeria as their forefather’s land and kill the inhabitants.
Fine, but presumably you get the main point which is that in somewhat recent history (say 3000 years) the Israeli and Palestinians both have inhabited that plot of land and have very intertwined histories. Not so with the Europeans landing in America.
Yes that's my point. The justharris person considered America and Israel similar and I think the native Americans had a longer solo claim than either Palestinians or Israelis.
I mean, we had none of a claim, but you don't get to claim land is yours for all of time when you haven't lived there in thousands of years. There's no such thing as genetic dibs.
Does Israel have a right to exist in Jerusalem? Sure.
Does it have a right to exist in Gaza? Not at all.
Good job demonstrating you’re entirely incapable of presenting a single valid statement/arguement and instead just want to support genocidal terrorists using the same colonial bullshit the settlers did against indigenous people in the Americas
If you’d like to make a factual statement rather than repeating the same braindead excuses genocidal terrorists have been using for ages, I’d be more than happy to further demonstrate my reading comprehension skills in regards to that
That’s the only thing about it that’s different, though, and if you care about material harm to people instead of ideological correctness, the differences are irrelevant.
You can’t be entitled to land you haven’t lived in for two millennia. Nobody is genetically entitled to land.
But they've never fully left. Some of the Palestinians may even be descended from Jews. There are medieval synagogues in Israel. The history of the Jewish people is truly special. It's in no way the only difference.
Right, but a few people living there among other cultures is not the same as ownership of the land, and it certainly does not give the Israelis the right to herd people off the land they’ve been living on with genocide.
Israel is entitled to a homeland; it is not entitled to any land it wants.
It also doesn’t mean the parallels between modern treatment of the Palestinians and 19th century treatment of Native Americans aren’t there, which is the point of the meme.
No one is entitled to someone else’s land because their million-greats grandfather lived there. That’s insane.
I agree with a lot you say, the argument was about the Native-settler analogy, however, which is the basis for the false claim Israel is just another Western settler colony. And ownership of the land used to be with the Ottomans that are gone with the wind. Peace must be for Palestine AND Israel.
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Spoiler, they're not the same.
ur post look like something that came right from twitter, it's so wrong that look like a bait
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" God promised us this land "
I think I know the name of that god.
MAMMON.
- zionist proverb
By over a thousand years.
Also: “Amerindian” is a colonialist term that’s largely thought of in the modern day like “negro” or “Oriental.” It might not be outright hateful, but it’s deeply backwards and disrespectful.
- The Jews have not been living there under their oppressor the whole time
- Native American genocide didn’t happen 2000 years ago
- Native Americans aren’t doing genocide against white Americans
Not equivalent.
You're on the side of genocide. Hopefully that will cost you, someday.
Still no. It’s impossible to deserve genocide.
I asked a rhetorical question about whether you, a person, not every Ukrainian, YOU, deserve to be killed for your country allying with Nazis. Obviously, you do not, which means that Russians who aren’t involved in the invasion also cannot be guilty.
Sending bombs to foreign countries is terrorism; you just argued Israel has no right to exist.
Except, of course, that you don't have any principles to have turned against you, you're just a fucking racist.
Nahui, suka.
And the city and all that is within it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction.
https://www.openbible.info/topics/killing_all_the_inhabitants_of_jericho_after_god_issued_the_10_commandments
Dum Da Dum Dum.....
https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=NmNT10U4Kvl89OmL
Once.
They also had an eagle as a symbol
They were fought and ultimately defeated for the simple reason that they were a fascist country that didn't behave itself externally.
Portugal and Spain were also fascist countries... and founding members of NATO.
What is this symbol?
Where was this picture taken?
When did the Allies defeat fascism in Spain or Portugal? Was the Estado Novo a founding member of NATO? Who funded the Years of Lead and ran the School of the Americas?
https://www2.lehigh.edu/news/fascism-in-america-its-happening-here-according-to-professors-new-book
The Nuremberg Laws were modeled on Jim Crow, and Hitler used the American genocide of Native Americans as inspiration for the final solution.
A country where people believe “ran away from the police” deserves street execution? A country where people believe that their religious norms should be enforced on everyone else by the state?
Who told you we weren’t authoritarian?
Was it the people in control of this country?
No one can get it out of my head that this was what Bin Laden wanted.
Much of America is currently mirroring 1930s' Berlin, politically.
ISLAM
Although there are groups for whom this is true, it is not correct to generalize. Just as it was not generalized to Christians or Jews.
Were dealt with state policies. Israel, United States and Hitler Germany.
but christians and islams don't necessarily take this as policy like hitler, usa and israel did. some Islamic groups do, others do not.
https://bsky.app/profile/shoguncheney.bsky.social/post/3l53shguwja26
For all I know you’re a christofascist who wants my people to be in Jerusalem so they can be killed to fulfill your messianic prophecy.
Looks like bluesky moderators are asking us to tolerate fascist colonizers & genocide.
Genocide & land theft is never acceptable. They are war crimes.
Sharing the news about past & ongoing genocide is not intolerance.
No, fascist colonizers conducting genocide & stealing land are not a protected group.
Zionists make Jewish people less safe.
#Indigenous #Native #NDN #FirstNation friends, what do you think?
Sovereignty: Use it or lose it.
There's probably a joke in there somewhere
as existence is an exercise in absurdity.
Does Israel have a right to exist in Jerusalem? Sure.
Does it have a right to exist in Gaza? Not at all.
We can make this even easier: was it in a year that started with 199?
Good job demonstrating you’re entirely incapable of presenting a single valid statement/arguement and instead just want to support genocidal terrorists using the same colonial bullshit the settlers did against indigenous people in the Americas
I know exactly what you were trying to say. I just don’t have any interest in even slightly trying to humor it as it has no basis in reality.
You can’t be entitled to land you haven’t lived in for two millennia. Nobody is genetically entitled to land.
Israel is entitled to a homeland; it is not entitled to any land it wants.
No one is entitled to someone else’s land because their million-greats grandfather lived there. That’s insane.
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