Honestly, it makes me sick hearing people blaming regular voters who stood for something they cared about. I wish more people did that. That's what democracy is all about. - ThreadSky

senategabe.bsky.social • 27 days ago

Honestly, it makes me sick hearing people blaming regular voters who stood for something they cared about.

I wish more people did that. That's what democracy is all about.

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marymfusillo.bsky.social•27 days ago

Stood for “something”? Which in turn means their land becomes a Trump vision of luxury on the Sea? Sounds plausible….

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

I refuse to think of elections as "I will vote for someone I hate because someone I hate even more might become President, even though I am not voting for them either."

North Korea has elections. An election isolated is not what a democracy is about. Governing in a democracy is a conversation.

holleya.bsky.social•27 days ago

W/respect, and gratitude for all you do: my friend @terrelljstarr.bsky.social noted recently on @gaslitnation.bsky.social that Black folks have been voting for harm reduction aka the lesser/least of bad choices for decades. Making the point that it’s the height of white privilege to refuse to vote.

holleya.bsky.social•26 days ago

Clarification (because I ran out of space): “people who refuse to vote… for harm reduction” even if they hate that that’s what is necessary to protect the vulnerable. The privilege should then be turned to FIGHT the elected on policy, demand progress, etc. Now, denying Harris means literal monsters.

marymfusillo.bsky.social•26 days ago

I agree. Not voting is not “voicing” your opinion when it’s a binary choice and the lesser of 2 evils would save democracy. Maybe it’s the bravado of youth…cause when you are old you know that defeating the evil is the only goal and not voting is letting evil run amuck…

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

No offense taken. I do not believe people should not vote.

I just think elections/governing is a conversation and support should be conditional on what you want.

To be frank, there is a reason many folks have been abandoning the Democratic party in communities vulnerable to GOP attacks.

holleya.bsky.social•27 days ago

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

For me that all is the same thing though.

Uncommitted WAS fighting the elected on policy. They made their support conditional. And I would flip it back around on Harris. If her victory was so important and conditional on this, why didn't she accommodate them?

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

Everyone is going to have a different level of comfort that tips them into supporting one candidate or another.

But I do know this, no one in politics, as it is currently constituted, changes anything if they don't feel there is real serious threats to their jobs.

marymfusillo.bsky.social•27 days ago

I think what happened yesterday with Cassidy and RFKjr was a perfect example. Cowardly physician who knows better than to vote for RFK but is worried about being primaried vs doing the right thing.

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

What I really want in a political system and think is the most important element for fighting fascism, is a system that starts with politicians remembering they work for the public, and making sure they are listening to it.

I don't believe in supporting people who do not share this goal.

nonnylynda.bsky.social•24 days ago

Your stunted, selfish and wildly immature logic is parallel to not wanting to give a starving person french fries because they're not a perfectly balanced meal, so you decide to STARVE that person instead.

Everyone, even the Palestinians, told you that trump would decimate Gaza, YOU did not care.

nonnylynda.bsky.social•24 days ago

So you're saying that the people who saw the whole picture and didn't want trump in office because we knew what he would do are at fault here?

No wonder the leftists can't build a meaningful coalition, you demand absolute compliance to your will, while other leftists demand other things, and so on

jenholder.bsky.social•27 days ago

I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but 2024 was not the year. It’s like the soldiers heading for Omaha Beach yelling, “Stop the boat! Why are there only 2 sides to this war? Maybe there’s a 3rd, more peaceful option?” Yeah, of course there is, but now is not the time.

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

The reason why I strongly disagree with this is having worked in the party, I was told this every single year...ever. And also every part of each year too. "Wait till after Biden is elected before making asks. No wait, wait till he gets into office to start making asks, he must assemble his team.."

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

At a certain point, I started believing that that attitude was the problem far more than the asks.

jenholder.bsky.social•27 days ago

Attitude is def the problem, esp if talking about the Senate. But you say every single year…this started with Reagan and we’ve been in crisis mode since 2016. No offense, but you don’t look old enough to go back that far. I have all the empathy for Millennials and Z. Y’all were dealt a shit hand.

senategabe.bsky.social•27 days ago

Every year I worked for the Democrats I should say (from 2016 onwards). Basically the entirety of the Trump era.

jenholder.bsky.social•27 days ago

Yeah, the shitshow years. I’m furious about the wasted opportunities and frustrated too with always having to wait to hold Ds accountable, but I don’t believe 3rd party voting/abstaining is the answer right now. Ranked choice is the reasonable compromise, imo.

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