i’ve never seen anyone fumble anything as hard as joe biden has fumbled palestine. its the most morally unambiguous conflict his decisions are wildly unpopular and even so political replyguys are out here clapping like trained seals anytime he does another genocide - ThreadSky

ruemcclammyhand.bsky.social • 485 days ago

i’ve never seen anyone fumble anything as hard as joe biden has fumbled palestine. its the most morally unambiguous conflict his decisions are wildly unpopular and even so political replyguys are out here clapping like trained seals anytime he does another genocide

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mazeltovcocktail.bsky.social•485 days ago

When even the French PM is like "yanno I think killing Palestinian babies is Bad"...

esedia.bsky.social•485 days ago

Very true and that’s saying a lot since he was almost never on the right side of history

nihilistquixote.bsky.social•485 days ago

And liberals are like “Dead kids are just the cost to be the boss. What? Do you want more Trump?” As if they’re the most unaware people on the planet.

jbstrait.bsky.social•485 days ago

And the young shall inherit Trump’s world for most if not all of their lives. Between the Supremes and state legislatures, I’d hate to to be a young person. They know not what they are doing.

nihilistquixote.bsky.social•485 days ago

We’re living in the world that your compromises created.

jbstrait.bsky.social•484 days ago

You’re living in the real world whether you like it or not.

luckytrashfox.bsky.social•484 days ago

Durr durr hurr durr

kingadahipsters.bsky.social•485 days ago

hes been a zionist his whole career- i rly dont see a situation where he listens to the american ppl on this one.

he cant read the room, and its costing thousands of lives, and will eventually cost him the election

markdowling.bsky.social•485 days ago

What was the road not taken? Biden calls Bibi and tells him knock it off pending an investigation of the attack, and then what - Congressional Republicans (and many Democrats) and Fox/Newsmax sit back and applaud him for his measured response? Or did you have something else in mind

nregib.bsky.social•485 days ago

Publicly call for a ceasefire and stop funding their war machine. Yes there will be a cost politically but you don’t become POTUS to make the easy decisions

markdowling.bsky.social•485 days ago

Biden is trying to govern in an broken system where Donald Trump is running neck and neck in the polls, and is the presumptive nominee at this point. Exactly how is Biden meant to rely on the hard decisions being respected rather than reversed at the earliest possible moment

nregib.bsky.social•485 days ago

Do you only do the right thing when there’s no risk to yourself?

tallsprucetree.bsky.social•485 days ago

If he tries to do the right thing, and then congress or the courts override him, I would at least respect it.

insortediaboli.bsky.social•485 days ago

Yes restraint is typically a better option!

markdowling.bsky.social•485 days ago

The US Congress has a different view

insortediaboli.bsky.social•485 days ago

The US congress is a pack of out of touch morons who literally cannot understand the rammifications of their actions because theyre protected from them. That you use them as the line to back you up shows what an absolute coward you are along with your entire political ideology

markdowling.bsky.social•485 days ago

I don’t see how fantasizing a different America political landscape is helpful. Certainly not helpful to understanding the options that actually exist to minimize and bring to the earliest possible conclusion the suffering of the Gazan people, at any rate

smenor.com•485 days ago

「 A better world is not possible ! 」

GFY.

recombobulating.bsky.social•485 days ago

I don't see how insisting that the only option is enabling genocide is helpful. Unless you want genocide.

estarianne.bsky.social•485 days ago

Because you don't know what step to take next until you know where you're going. And if we are all pulling in different directions we go nowhere. (see: Democratic Party).

pickmesquirrel.bsky.social•485 days ago

what specific things is Joe doing to stop the bombing and occupation, Mark? is giving Israel more bombs gonna stop the bombing? is giving them billions of dollars gonna keep drones in the ground? huh?

pickmesquirrel.bsky.social•485 days ago

so tell them to eat shit

teeveeben.bsky.social•484 days ago

Mark, I think it starts with the posture of his initial public address.

He didn’t offer any words to turn down the temperature, distinguish between Hamas and Palestine, or set the parameters for the scooeof UN involvement.

He basically just angrily said WE STAND WITH ISRAEL five times.

teeveeben.bsky.social•484 days ago

*scope of US involvement

ruemcclammyhand.bsky.social•485 days ago

yeah that actually sounds really cool mark

adiospantalones.bsky.social•485 days ago

You’re starting to see the left eat their own. It was only a matter of time.

jbstrait.bsky.social•485 days ago

The left should learn from the right and not eat its own but its second nature. Sad.

pandragon.bsky.social•484 days ago

Lmao America doesn't have a left party

pickmesquirrel.bsky.social•485 days ago

who are we eating?

dandantransient.bsky.social•485 days ago

I think it's his plan to fumble around in public while the clock runs out on food and water and life for Palestinians.

He supports the genocide, he sells the bombs, he funds the cause, and all this pretext of "trying" is so he can play the "gosh golly gee wilkers i tried real hard"

dandantransient.bsky.social•485 days ago

Of course that's just my opinion and I'm not very bright, but I can tell when someone is kicking the can down the road.

jessisamess.gay•483 days ago

i think the most ridiculous part was early on when he tried to pretend he was warning Israel not to go too far, like "go ahead and do your genocide, but make sure you don't do too much genocide, Jack"

ruemcclammyhand.bsky.social•483 days ago

a bit of genocide. as a treat.

greggjlevine.bsky.social•483 days ago

I’ll have just a side of geno.

kbyrd.bsky.social•485 days ago

I would like someone to explain what the US gets out of its relationship with Israel. It's not oil, it's not arms (can sell arms to anyone) ... This is a one-sided alliance where the US cannot challenge Israel. Why?

rkaanstad.bsky.social•485 days ago

I suspect that this demolition project has everything to do with the Ben Gurian Canal Project

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gurion_Canal_Project

take2.bsky.social•485 days ago

Netanyahu lied to Biden about numerous issues of this war. Biden is even thinking of holding back the money we pledged. Not for a blackmail but that Biden is not willing to promote Israel's manifest
Besides getting rid of Hamas, we must get rid of Bibi who is just as corrupt and dangerous as Trump.

teeveeben.bsky.social•484 days ago

I’m one of those realpolitickincrementalist progressive Democrats and I agree 💯.

To add, his entire foreign policy project has been to back us out of foreign armed conflicts as much he deems possible and this just undercuts that in totality. It’s fucking insanity.

lrshedupodcast.bsky.social•485 days ago

What did y’all expect from the ghoul who, before being president, sold everyone out to make inhumane bank, & credit card CEOs, & KKK members happy?

Black hole Biden has always been an inhumane ghoul masquerading as human

jordandarkly.bsky.social•485 days ago

even within the bounds of our indefensible relationship with Israel he has fucked up in 300pt type and then been surprised by the results

I know he has people who know better, though of course some of them have quit by now. pathetic leadership with far reaching consequences.

uhhhclem.bsky.social•485 days ago

Biden, along with our foreign policy establishment, is pretending that Likud has not told us to go fuck ourselves. He'd rather be seen as supporting genocide than be seen as being powerless.

But Israel is unresponsive to soft power right now, and using hard power against Israel is a big ask.

uhhhclem.bsky.social•485 days ago

It would take someone quite a bit bolder than Biden to speak in a manner that the entire American mediasphere would brand as anti-Semitic if you also knew that it would terminate any future ability to influence Likud.

Once again, we have cozied up to a dictator, and we're getting what we paid for.

uhhhclem.bsky.social•485 days ago

Biden's old enough that he probably still holds typical gerontocratic beliefs about Israel: that it's unerringly the US's friend, that it's a plucky civilization surrounded by hostile neighbors, that without our assistance it would be pushed into the sea tomorrow. It's got to be a shock to him.

uhhhclem.bsky.social•485 days ago

I wouldn't characterize anything Biden has done in his presidency as "5D chess." He does know what the limits of his power are, and he knows how to accomplish things within those limits. But I think he's overmatched by this situation.

uhhhclem.bsky.social•485 days ago

Consider: we mobilized the entire Sixth Fleet and sailed it into the eastern Mediterranean, and it has ended up doing nothing, because there is nothing for it to do. And now we're pretending that nothing happened. The most expensive weapon in the history of the world can't do a thing here.

uhhhclem.bsky.social•485 days ago

We need to start getting our heads around the idea that the US is not in a position to dictate terms, because we're going to be seeing a lot more of it in years to come. We haven't been the dominant imperial power in the world for a while now. Nerve impulses reach dinosaurs' brains very slowly.

buttrogers69.bsky.social•485 days ago

I genuinely think he went all in without knowing what was going on. Like a trained seal at a poker match, and now he's just completely fucked trying to reconcile statements.

ruemcclammyhand.bsky.social•485 days ago

i think he definitely thought this was going to be the more popular route but didn’t realize social media was going to make it harder to get away with lying

dandantransient.bsky.social•485 days ago

I was just talking about this yesterday with a friend, that the president sees the media parrot what he's saying and thinks, "they agree i must be right" while the media executives think, "the president is agreeing with us we must be right" and none of them realize they are just old in the same way

dandantransient.bsky.social•485 days ago

I think the article on Congress staffers dealing with the phone calls really helped illuminate exactly what these old people in power are thinking.

buttrogers69.bsky.social•485 days ago

well, I'm honestly not sure he had an opinion that was informed beyond like 1980. Terrorism = bad so anyone labeled terrorist = bad. Without considering that the word itself is purposefully subjective. I say it often, most people haven't read a book since 2001.

beejonson.me•485 days ago

Watch videos from when he was a senator. Biden can be heard on multiple occasions referring to Israel as the "best investment" the US has ever made. Or that if Israel didn't exist, the US would have to "invent" one.

ruemcclammyhand.bsky.social•485 days ago

yeah i mention that elsewhere in the thread

beejonson.me•485 days ago

Yeah, I don't think any of the two major parties will be getting to a point where they can stand up to Israel. Not anytime soon, at least. Which is rather unfortunate.

beejonson.me•485 days ago

Also, listen to Hilary or Bill Clinton talk about Israel and Palestine. They're all staunchly pro Israel. The whole democratic party is. American leaders, irrespective of the party, have always been islamophobic and obsessed with spreading their version of democracy in the Middle East.

beejonson.me•485 days ago

And they often support Israel cos they believe it is the "only" democracy in the Middle East. And often, the only country from which they'd be able to have a foothold in the region. It's also about Israel's so-called "strategic position" in the region.

sylvainsylvain.bsky.social•485 days ago

It’s not just Biden. The entire Dem establishment is deranged over this. See Hilary’s soundbite over why a ceasefire is a terrible idea, ‘That’ll just let Hamas regroup and start lobbing rockets again!!’, or how Dem staffers in Congress are saying calls are 10-1 against this, but are getting ignored

breakify.bsky.social•485 days ago

"Fumble" assumes that he's made an unforced error. This is who Biden is and always has been. His record--from the Crime Bill to the Patriot Act--made it very clear that he was always going to be the genocider-in-chief. He's made a deliberate choice: He'd rather support genocide than win in 24.

kateallday.bsky.social•484 days ago

It feels like there's an almost religious following who believe any criticism of Biden is basically handing the country to Christofascism. Meanwhile, I'm over here like "How theeee fuck have we arrived at Don't Criticize Genocide Or It's Supporters And Enablers?!?"

🧐🧐🧐🧐

beejonson.me•485 days ago

It's actually not that surprising, to be honest. When you consider that he's been a staunch supporter of Israel, especially from his Senator days, and also, the fact that he's not a progressive, you'd understand that this was always going to be the way he'd lean on the issue. Didn't suprise me, tbh.

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