the thing that gets me is that plausibly simulating player behavior sounds legitimately very useful but instead they're focusing their attention mostly on generative video, which seems like a gigantic waste of resources for game devs who presumably have access to the design tools for their own game - ThreadSky

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renpona.bsky.social • 8 days ago

the thing that gets me is that plausibly simulating player behavior sounds legitimately very useful

but instead they're focusing their attention mostly on generative video, which seems like a gigantic waste of resources for game devs who presumably have access to the design tools for their own game

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mtrc.bsky.social•8 days ago

it's a long discussion - simulating player behaviour is useful for a LOT of things, and it's a major question in game AI research not just how to do it generally, but also how to make it tractable for game devs to implement easily

mtrc.bsky.social•8 days ago

we actually have a lot of ways to simulate players, they all have strengths and weaknesses, we've been doing it since the 1940s really, if you consider chess playing part of it. but implementing them is hard, and different for EVERY videogame, so the appeal of a general approach has always been big

mtrc.bsky.social•8 days ago

on paper, being able to show a system video of my game and have it learn everything about it would be very accessible to people. but even ignoring the costs (time and energy), it's a big quesiton as to whether it actually offers the same benefits

mtrc.bsky.social•8 days ago

this is something i do research on myself (how to get AI to play games they haven't seen before) and i approach it more from the "we have the game engine, what can we do with it" angle like you say. it's tough though.

renpona.bsky.social•8 days ago

imagine if, instead of prompting it to generate a video of simulated players interacting with a jump pad, you could just open up the level designer, add the jump pad, and turn simulated players loose on it

this feels like they were trying to find a use for video generation, not a way to help devs

renpona.bsky.social•8 days ago

tons of training had to be done for the model to learn the behavior of the game from gameplay videos. but is it really the best use of resources for someone who has access to the actual game engine?

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