Point six, they themselves mention that the "modularity is not totally unlike the one of the Linux kernel." But the Linux Kernel is monolithic which contradicts the first "myth" they bust. At least some of the points within the article are completely self-contradictory. - ThreadSky

kagejittai.bsky.social • 119 days ago

Point six, they themselves mention that the "modularity is not totally unlike the one of the Linux kernel." But the Linux Kernel is monolithic which contradicts the first "myth" they bust.

At least some of the points within the article are completely self-contradictory.

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ldo17.bsky.social•119 days ago

The Linux kernel *is* modular.

And as the systemd docs point out, the only part you cannot leave it is the small core (systemd itself, journald). Everything else is optional.

seanofthedev.bsky.social•119 days ago

Can you not build systemd with the parts you want and without the parts you don't want?

kagejittai.bsky.social•119 days ago

It depends on the parts you want to cut. For example, without systemd journal system. Good luck reading any log files. Almost every other UNIX service is capable of writing logs in text which can be read with any editor or tooled with any shell script.

ldo17.bsky.social•119 days ago

The whole point about the journal is to make it easy to pull out just the information you want, without having to read/parse the whole thing. You can filter entries by service name, date range etc. And output in JSON, if you want.

seanofthedev.bsky.social•119 days ago

It is annoying to have to "learn how to read logs" but once you do, it actually can be pretty handy. I just don't need to do it often enough to remember each time.

ldo17.bsky.social•119 days ago

Which is where myth 20 comes in: while you cannot build systemd without journald, that doesn’t stop you continuing to feed logs to syslog. You don’t have to keep any existing logs in the journal, if you don’t want.

seanofthedev.bsky.social•119 days ago

While I don't doubt the article shared is biased, I do doubt it tells outright lies. You can indeed use systemd with syslog.

kagejittai.bsky.social•119 days ago

Then myth 21 isn't a myth, it's incompatible is a fact. Saying "we try hard" to make it compatible doesn't make it any more compatible than it is. I think the response it self can't shy away from the current state of compatibility.

kagejittai.bsky.social•119 days ago

I actually use and arguably like systemd (as much as someone can like an init system). It's does a better job than any other tool in providing a good experience. I also think a lot of criticism is invalid or made up. But lots of criticism to me feels completely valid.

kagejittai.bsky.social•119 days ago

But their total dismissal of any of the criticism sent their direction is part of the reason why they've made so many enemies in the Linux sysdev space. It's also resulted in unfair dog piling with illegitimate criticisms.

It's possible for something to be problematic and also treated be unfairly.

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