When most of the arguments supporting Brexit were either blatant lies, hyperbole or inconsequential, this is the natural development. A house of cards built on a windy beach.
Has anyone conducted a survey that simply asks “would you support the UK entering discussions with the EU about future membership”. Once that sits comfortably above, say, 60% then Starmer might see it a good risk.
PEM would be a pale shadow …. Just a fraction ….. of the benefits - including, but not limited to economic ones - that UK would receive from bring back in the union. What downside do you see in membership? There is strong interest in the EU in re-membership. It would not be as hard as you think
I can tell you for now that it would be a lot harder than you think and take a lot longer.
PEM may not offer all the benefits of being a full member, but it does respect our rights to trade outside the block, we have a strong history of trading all over the world until we were an EU member and
long term, that kind of flexibility is needed, more so than twinning with some town in the middle of nowhere.
We don't need the service access, we do need the adoption of EU customs rules to soften barriers and thus help small business that has never looked globally for example.
eggs in one basket have never been a convincing strategy and with the catalogue of global unrest seen lately, we need to be pragmatic and keep our options open.
Yes of course we need better relations and closer ties with the EU, but to be controlled by it, no.
Well I am sure they will be have private polling of the key constituencies and that is what matters in our system. It can't be long until those reflect the national picture though.
false info,no fact checking by MSM & an ill planned referendum eg limiting expat votes when Brexit has fundamentally affected their lives.
51.8 vs 48.2 % with 72% turnout.
with impacts that last generations, 60% should be the threshold or a higher turnout to make it valid. it was a fuck up.
The problem these days isn't the acknowledgement of the foolishness of Brexit, it's the acknowledgement that sitting and snivling like a 3 yr old won't fix it.
That change will only come with facing the aggression of the fools who sent us on this misadventure, when they eventually return from USA.
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Until the Inger-laand tribe of louts and street-corner pissers and beer-belly wobblers are seen for the bad joke they are.
30% of people still thinking Brexit was a good idea is ridiculous.
Then we can rejoin.
Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 27% (+1)
LAB: 23% (+1)
CON: 21% (-2)
LDM: 11% (-1)
GRN: 10% (=)
SNP: 3% (=)
Via @findoutnow.bsky.social, 29 Jan.
Changes w/ 22 Jan.
Also, with the PEM and Security alignment, do we even need membership?
PEM may not offer all the benefits of being a full member, but it does respect our rights to trade outside the block, we have a strong history of trading all over the world until we were an EU member and
We don't need the service access, we do need the adoption of EU customs rules to soften barriers and thus help small business that has never looked globally for example.
Putting all your
Yes of course we need better relations and closer ties with the EU, but to be controlled by it, no.
51.8 vs 48.2 % with 72% turnout.
with impacts that last generations, 60% should be the threshold or a higher turnout to make it valid. it was a fuck up.
That change will only come with facing the aggression of the fools who sent us on this misadventure, when they eventually return from USA.