Anecdotally, some gay friends tell me they feel a greater threat in majority Muslim areas. There have been some studies that show homophobic attitudes, though not conclusive. We can certainly say that most Muslim-majority countries are institutionally homophobic. This merits further study, at least. - ThreadSky

samwilkin.bsky.social • 7 days ago

Anecdotally, some gay friends tell me they feel a greater threat in majority Muslim areas. There have been some studies that show homophobic attitudes, though not conclusive. We can certainly say that most Muslim-majority countries are institutionally homophobic. This merits further study, at least.

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lvclog.bsky.social•7 days ago

Unlike most people who have responded o you, I do think it European gays are justified in thinking that Muslim immigration is a long-term threar to their rights. But it's not like this is a significant motivator for AfD voters, most of which are homophobic.

samwilkin.bsky.social•7 days ago

I understand the fear of singling out a single community that might then be targeted by far-right mobs. We absolutely have to keep protecting Muslims against discrimination, and avoid generalisations. But we also have to be honest about any problems that do exist within minority communities.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

A key reason your article has provoked such strong reactions is that you haven't provided any evidence base for your claim that anti-LGBT attitudes are particularly prevalent among Muslims. And to confidently make such a claim, you would need to present very strong evidence indeed.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

The authors of the single study you cite to support your claim explain that the available literature indicates that anti-LGBT sentiment is *not* stronger among the Muslim community than in, say, evangelical or other white communities.

lambdawon.bsky.social•7 days ago

Sam doesn’t believe anything he wrote. He is justifying voting for Nazis with the argument that LGBTQ people and their allies voted for the party who wants to ban their marriage because Muslims are more homophobic is laughable. I think he is just trying to justify his support for Nazis.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

So to reiterate, to make the claims you're explicitly making, you'd have to present a strong (as in multi-study) evidence base to demonstrate that such attitudes are irrefutably *more* prevalent among Muslims than among all in-groups.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

Needless to say, if you understand how research works, you'll know that presenting such a watertight and *universally applicable* case would not only be ethically shaky at best, but also not possible, for dozens of methodological reasons.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

So in this case, it appears what you've done is taken your own assumptions based on a stereotype (that Muslim communities are inherently more threatening to LGBT people than in-groups), and created an essay based on that assumption.

theangelofhistory.bsky.social•7 days ago

also, gay marriage was only legalised in Germany in 2017. It’s untenable to claim that a minority is so badly integrated on the basis of “it believes what most white Germans believed 20 years ago” that we need to consider LETHAL measures (that is the AFD position) rather than assuming teleology.

samwilkin.bsky.social•7 days ago

White evangelicals are not the baseline of society, they're a minority group that happens to be white. If they're more homophobic than average, that should be acknowledged and addressed.

Why are you willing to acknowledge potential problems among white religious minorities but not others?

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

White Evangelicals are just one example of a homogeneous in-group, which would be a necessary condition for this type of study. Again, your parsing of this subject area seems to be based on assumptions stacked on top of assumptions. That's not how good research works.

samwilkin.bsky.social•7 days ago

That's not relevant. The comparison being made is whether members of a particular group are more likely to be homophobic *than society at large*, not than each other. If they are, then LGBT people are not bigoted for perceiving them as a source of threat.

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