Many people will feel relief from this result. Many others will feel fear. No one is cruel for being upset or selfish for cheering. But remember: this is only the start of the legislative process. And only the start of asking how the state can ease suffering - in life as well as death. - ThreadSky

francesryan.bsky.social • 91 days ago

Many people will feel relief from this result. Many others will feel fear. No one is cruel for being upset or selfish for cheering. But remember: this is only the start of the legislative process. And only the start of asking how the state can ease suffering - in life as well as death.

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rorza8472.bsky.social•91 days ago

We live under a Capitalist state, it will always do what saves most money, in this case that means allowing as many vulnerable people who can't be exploited by Capital to be euthanized as possible.

philwozere.bsky.social•91 days ago

🤔🤔🤔 https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/15/canada-has-revealed-the-horror-of-assisted-dying/

mrsrhino.bsky.social•91 days ago

Spiked. C'mon.

justamuso.bsky.social•90 days ago

Well said Alex. Let's not turn this platform into what X has become, since it was taken over by someone who is using it to gain power. Let's privilege good journalism & the truth. Spiked doesn't have a good track record in the area of reality.

peterdavieson.bsky.social•91 days ago

I feel confused.

I note voices already suggesting 'assisted dying' be applied to dementia.

How someone with dementia is considered aware enough to consent to being killed by 'assisted dying' when they are not considered aware enough to alter their own Will is beyond me.

jenniekermode.bsky.social•90 days ago

This is a case in which living wills, made before people get ill, are potentially an option - but of course there still need to be safeguards, because many people who panic at the thought of such illness don't find it so bad when they actually experience it (even if others do).

peterdavieson.bsky.social•90 days ago

We were told there were safeguards for the 'Liverpool pathway' too, but in reality ...

'Financial inducements to NHS trusts'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Care_Pathway_for_the_Dying_Patient

justamuso.bsky.social•90 days ago

In which case, that is something we learn from.

peterdavieson.bsky.social•90 days ago

Of course.

I have heard 'lessons will be leaned' so many times over the decades and yet ... here we are ... still feigning surprise at medics like Letby, and still telling ourselves that 'lessons will be learned'.

The only lesson we have learned is that ... we never learn lessons.

justamuso.bsky.social•90 days ago

Maybe, but also possible that the capacity to learn from mistakes is even more important. We repeat what we don't fully understand.

mikebroderick33.bsky.social•91 days ago

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hopsonj.bsky.social•91 days ago

I truly understand the worry of people and I hope they know that the vast majority of us happy with this bill do not support things out of terminally ill and that we'd fight to makesure the things they are worried about, do not happen

liberalsimon.bsky.social•91 days ago

Too late once the horse has bolted. We’ll inevitably go the way of Canada or Belgium, but it’ll save the sanctified NHS money, so we be accepted as a good thing for the nation!

hopsonj.bsky.social•91 days ago

So please explain how terminally ill patientswho don't want months of pain and suffering, gain the right to choose?

Or should they just suffer because what might be proposed in the future?

francesryan.bsky.social•91 days ago

I really appreciate that sentiment

hopsonj.bsky.social•91 days ago

I'm getting alot of stick for my stance and I do understand why, even if I think it's a little unfair.

I support the bill for terminally ill and only that.

I do not support what may or may not be added. Thank you for your response

ineffablerat.bsky.social•91 days ago

I feel fear, particularly for my 2 severely disabled sons and others like them. I fear what future governments might do with such powers. Some Reform candidates/supporters have already expressed their disdain for disabled children/adults. I fear where all this will end.

justamuso.bsky.social•90 days ago

I'm hopeful that, as the legislative process continues, your concerns will be taken seriously & attended to, with many safeguards added that allay your worries. That process is slow, & might end with dropping the whole thing. It's not law yet, & has to cross many bridges before it does.

ineffablerat.bsky.social•90 days ago

You're a lot more hopeful (and trusting) than I am, that's for sure! When you've been continually let down in the worst of ways regarding safeguarding, namely the local authority funded care for my severely disabled twins, you learn to be very cautious and suspicious of what's in 'best interests'.

justamuso.bsky.social•90 days ago

I understand. Voices like yours need to be heard. I am also cautious, but have to hold out hope - perhaps I can hope for you? I have a disabled nephew & see what his parents have gone through just in terms of their input alone. You have my utter respect.

ineffablerat.bsky.social•90 days ago

Thank you for understanding. I feel bringing in assisted dying at a time when health and social care are underfunded/understaffed/broken is a failure and admittance of defeat. Safeguards already fail vulnerable people on a daily basis. Curable cancers are being diagnosed too late due to NHS cuts.

ineffablerat.bsky.social•90 days ago

There is so much that needs funding and fixing before we offer death as an alternative. In an ideal world, assisted dying could probably be safely introduced. But we live in a world where poor, elderly, sick, and disabled people are always at the sharp end of cuts to services and preventable deaths.

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