That all makes sense but it confirms my experience: systemd is a problem only for people fully capable of solving the problem. Is anyone using systemd because they have no way to use anything else? - ThreadSky

seanofthedev.bsky.social • 131 days ago

That all makes sense but it confirms my experience: systemd is a problem only for people fully capable of solving the problem.

Is anyone using systemd because they have no way to use anything else?

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kagejittai.bsky.social•131 days ago

I think there are probably people who are stuck using certain parts of systemd they don't want to use. The fundamental issue at play here is that systemd isn't just one component. It's a whole tool box.

kagejittai.bsky.social•131 days ago

Think of it like this: systemd isn't like mayo. It's more like a blend of 7 herbs and species. If you just want 4 spices from systemd, and replace 3 you can't do that. You get all 7 or none at all. If you chose none, finding good alternatives for some of the spices will be hard or even impossible.

ldo17.bsky.social•118 days ago

systemd myth 1: systemd is monolithic.

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

seanofthedev.bsky.social•118 days ago

That's a great link, I really enjoyed it.

Where all the systemd haters at? Maybe I just exaggerated those few folks and their loud opinions.

kagejittai.bsky.social•118 days ago

Point six, they themselves mention that the "modularity is not totally unlike the one of the Linux kernel." But the Linux Kernel is monolithic which contradicts the first "myth" they bust.

At least some of the points within the article are completely self-contradictory.

ldo17.bsky.social•117 days ago

The Linux kernel *is* modular.

And as the systemd docs point out, the only part you cannot leave it is the small core (systemd itself, journald). Everything else is optional.

seanofthedev.bsky.social•118 days ago

Can you not build systemd with the parts you want and without the parts you don't want?

kagejittai.bsky.social•118 days ago

Then myth 21 isn't a myth, it's incompatible is a fact. Saying "we try hard" to make it compatible doesn't make it any more compatible than it is. I think the response it self can't shy away from the current state of compatibility.

seanofthedev.bsky.social•131 days ago

Fair enough, though you're only really wrecking my brilliant analogy 😭

So people want to focus efforts on a modular systemd to reap the benefits of the concerted effort? That's not insane.

But the core value of open source is: don't bitch, just fork.

I hear lots of the former, none of the latter.

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