But if they saw someone disobey and that person was immediately shot in front of them then they would go right back to obeying again. This experiment was in response to Hitler. And the same rules of engagement don't apply to Nazis.
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So basically we need to resist as much and as openly as possible until that point, and if that isn’t enough, and it goes even darker, that’s the time to switch to secret stuff?
Yes. And it is also good to know that the default is obedience so that we can recognize and resist that too. And part of that obedience is the "okay, well we'll just stick this out for 4 years" expecting it to end if nothing is done. People are also lazy.
The figures changed with the environment and experimenter appearance. The figures were highest in labs with a person,in a lab coat. They were least likely to obey when the experiment was performed in an office block and the experimenter giving orders had a plain jacket on.
I think it's true, that in the 1930s, Germany, is not completely like the USA today. However there are similarities which people can identify with. Influx of people with different values, which happened to Germany after the 1st world war. Rising prices. The rich controlling the political narrative.
The US is in a bad way, but there's also a world of difference.
Prussian culture was fully militarised, and society was hierarchical to the max (Junkers class etc). Duty much more important than indivdialy rights. Obedience to the state a given. Very difficult to dissent.
There had been a small influx of Jewish people into west Germany from Russia and Hitler had used jewish immigration to rile the Germany people to see them as the problem,blaming the jews for losing the war to steal money from the germany people, you still not seeing the similarities?
Maybe before the first world war but after it was a different matter, they had to give up 16% of land they once saw as theirs. They lost 10% of their population. They had to demilitarize and pay back 6.6 billion for all damages they caused. Hitler who like Musk was an immigrant from Austria.
Yes, to a point. It's been a while since I studied the Experiment. But I believe that the people were less likely to obey, if working class city dwellers. It was conducted across Europe with similar results. But things changed according to different variants, such as more than one person presence
German policemen were conscripted into every einsatzkommando battalions and sent east to execute Jews. At any point they could have refused and they would have been sent home. Some did and faced no repercussions. Sadly many more simply followed their orders without question.
No, it didn't happen over night. It was a process of brainwashing and fake news first. It required many people harboring hatred to rally the masses to their ends. It required a Hitler (Trump) AND a Hugelberg (Musk).
And I wasn't saying that it did happen in the beginning. What I said was that obedience doesn't necessarily drop to 10% just because people around you resist if those people resisting are punished.
This is not true. Germans were not executed for not actively taking part in the Holocaust. As I said plenty of policemen refused and were simply sent home.
Well if you say so but there is documented evidence that disagrees with you so that, along with the fact I have studied WWII history in depth, leads me to not believe you. You're entitled to your opinion but I'm going to stick with the documented facts of history instead.
The figures you quote are massively skewed by the actions of the Nazis in the final stages of the war whereby special squads roamed behind the frontlines specifically to hunt down so called deserters and wounded men who they deemed to be fit enough for action.
Also, most of the Holocaust carried out by the einsatzkommando was done not by the German military but by police battalions, in many cases middle aged part time ordnungspolizie, referred to as SS police batts only because the police came under the wing of RSHA.
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it takes very few dissenters
And the place / time of interest in USA 2025, not Nazi Germany, which is a red herring
Prussian culture was fully militarised, and society was hierarchical to the max (Junkers class etc). Duty much more important than indivdialy rights. Obedience to the state a given. Very difficult to dissent.
It didn't happen overnight
And indeed all the ingrededients are there
But we are in the formative stages where the cost of disobedience is extremely low