I keep oscillating between wanting someone like you to stick their arm into the cesspool to give these people a way out, and wanting to organize a collective movement to shut out these people even further to protect the vulnerable. How are we even supposed to communicate with these people? - ThreadSky

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mkfshard.bsky.social • 111 days ago

I keep oscillating between wanting someone like you to stick their arm into the cesspool to give these people a way out, and wanting to organize a collective movement to shut out these people even further to protect the vulnerable.

How are we even supposed to communicate with these people?

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adecog.bsky.social•111 days ago

A good start is making sure the right people are doing the communicating. There's a lot of brain-dead oafs more concerned with venting personal grievances than building understanding. Those people need to get very openly told off so it's clear they don't represent us.

mkfshard.bsky.social•111 days ago

I think I just realized a reason why this bothers me; I remember back when Black Lives Matter protests were in full swing, they were being criticized for their messaging being 'harsh', when it was really just people willfully not understanding the point.

mkfshard.bsky.social•111 days ago

This feels like saying 'no, actually, we should've been saying All Lives Matter all along' and I don't think that's correct. People have legitimate grievances that form the core of their activism, and softening that message so it can't make people upset is missing the point entirely.

adecog.bsky.social•111 days ago

We don't want to shut down legitimate grievances. But on the specific topic of trying to win over young men, you'd be better off sending someone who can adapt the message to the audience than someone who will just use the same rhetoric they always do even if it's going to be received badly.

adecog.bsky.social•111 days ago

It's already hard enough to get a simple concept like "toxic masculinity" across to some people. Last thing you need is someone who's going to handwave even reasonable male grievances just because women have it worse.

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