The incredibly wonderful @bnewbold.net, who encouraged me to write up my "How decentralized is Bluesky, really?" blogpost, wrote up his response: whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net... I'm reading it now. I'll spend some time mulling it over before I make my "reply-reply" but maybe you should read it too! - ThreadSky

dustyweb.bsky.social • 168 days ago

The incredibly wonderful @bnewbold.net, who encouraged me to write up my "How decentralized is Bluesky, really?" blogpost, wrote up his response: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lbvbtqrg5t2t

I'm reading it now. I'll spend some time mulling it over before I make my "reply-reply" but maybe you should read it too!

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tootskie.bsky.social•168 days ago

I really appreciate these posts! They’ve done a great job to help me understand how things are working, they show how much good thinking is going into the designs, and I appreciate how well you’re both able to communicate without getting lost in jargon … you’re even calling out the jargon!

abeldantas.bsky.social•167 days ago

Do you know what’s the place for coops to collaborate and set up distributed nodes for projects that “need” them? Even just an index for that would be interesting.

ratkins.net•167 days ago

Also really happy to see this dialogue.

Still confused about did:plc as a chokepoint though. My understanding was that if Bluesky kicked you out of the user directory, you were gone. @bnewbold.net implies if you register a rotation key (hard but possible) that’s *not* the case. Or do I misread?

dustyweb.bsky.social•167 days ago

I'll say more later but: they can still kick you out, at least for now, and still could retain control over your identity destiny, since there isn't yet a public transaction log.

I'm not too worried about it though. Risk of bad governance over the did:plc registry was my least concern in my writeup

dholms.xyz•167 days ago

quick clarification - there is a public transaction log (https://plc.directory/export) that is fully enumerable & several developer accounts audit the whole thing and flag if we do any funny business with it

dholms.xyz•167 days ago

and i know this is true because we had it publicly flagged the one time we did invalidate some existing operations

(they were invalidated for security reasons)

https://github.com/did-method-plc/did-method-plc/blob/main/invalidated-op-log.txt

dustyweb.bsky.social•167 days ago

oh this is great to hear! it's something I thought was coming, not here yet. <3

dholms.xyz•167 days ago

coming soon is a tlog (certification transparency) implementation for the directory. will basically make the export function much more robust, easier to sync & protect against some attacks that the directory could pull off

hopefully building on @filippo.abyssdomain.expert's work :)

https://sunlight.dev/

anitramwaju.malauren.be•167 days ago

The first one is retr0id-was-here.bsky.social (@retr0.id). What a surprise :-D

dholms.xyz•167 days ago

yup that was a fun late night email to receive 🙃

ratkins.net•167 days ago

Ok, but still: Bluesky PBC kicks you out of did:plc; everyone knows they’ve done so, you retain access to your ATProto identity, but you still can’t post on Bluesky-the-app…

ratkins.net•167 days ago

… unless you have your own PDS which someone other than Bluesky is aggregating into a relay/appview which people have configured their client to see?

skillstopractice.com•168 days ago

Very much appreciate the work that both you and @bnewbold.net have put into exploring and explaining these ideas in a way that helps everyone else learn.

It's been very positive to see a very real case study in architectural tradeoffs and social impact of tech choices, and so thank you for that!

overby.me•167 days ago

The reply is here! @0chaos.eu @asat.bsky.social @vilhelmbergsoe.bsky.social @andri.io

sophie-isla.bsky.social•165 days ago

This has been very interesting and I appreciate both of your perspectives. Have y'all ever thought about getting on a call together? That way you could hash out some of the misunderstandings and technical bits without the time/energy consuming post/counter-post exchanges.

quietanalysis.bsky.social•168 days ago

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