Democrats aren’t even centrists anymore. They’ve chased the republicans so far to the right that most of their platforms now would be the ones Republicans ran on in the 2000s.
There is no "left government" -- there's like maybe 2 left-wing politicians currently active in all of America. The rest are moderate Republicans, which we call democrats.
As a centrist, I'm going to lean towards the people who want equality for all instead of the far right that is handing out death sentences to anyone not like them.
I mean only Mao and Stalin didn't, Tito quite literally lead to Yugoslavia's golden age and helped the italian partisans free Italy from Mussolini. And Lenin is a sillier guy, but he did generally try, and especially when compared to the tsars and the libruhls.
The soviet system was just weird tbh, from the politburo to the proccess of ellection, to the regional soviets/unions being the medium to ellect in order of their interest (and since the soviets were unions that also meant most regions had multiple soviets for the multiple labours of the region).
And Lenin did just generally disagree with Marx on multiple points, there's a reason he did a socialist revolution in an agrarian country that lived under liberalism less than a year.
While Tito did go to extremes on certain actions (the whole deserted island treatment to anyone deemed a nazi), it
also was the only natural reaction for the yugoslav scene, the combination of the horrors lived during WW2, the absolute difference amid all yugoslav political groups, the civil war having happened at the same time as the fascist invasion, quite simply lead to an extremely aggressive scenario as
The problem with the far left in America is that we don't provide answers to problems. While we are busy debating what communism even is the average "centrist" is being told that Jews or gays or immigrants are raising inflation. I know it sucks, but we gotta learn how to talk to people we don't like
An end to poverty, an end to capitalist's system replaced by system of unions,co-op,guild and whatever worker controlled workplaces basically an end to liberal/conservative economy is the end goal.
Far left seems to be we’re going to help everyone after we divide up 80% of the money among our friends doing useless admin work and the rest will be real help to scrounge over
Depend on how far left are we talking? The far right always hurts people, but so has the far left. Campaigns to reshape society must be based on consensus.
Mao and Pol Pot, for instance, were not the way. Look up Guangxi Massacre for Mao - human cannibalism warning; or just Pol Pot for Pol Pot.
We don’t have a vocal extreme left. Even those of us who are “far left” are very far from pure socialism. I haven’t heard one person call for all of us to give everything up for the good of the country.
Yup. Like I can’t sit here and say I’m historically far left when I’m a capitalist just like the rest of the country. Whether by choice or necessity, this is an incredibly right nation.
effectively something that doesn't exist, sometimes its tankies, sometimes is socialists, sometimes is anarchists. It's a stupid term like when Pinochet said marxist-leninists.
I see actions, not words. Both parties love war, death, genocide, imperialism, corruption, racism, and sexism. When one is in power, the other complains that they're not being awful enough to the marginalized. Being cynical about both sides is not the same as being indifferent to America's problems.
If voting still exists. He can't legally get rid of it, but he doesn't much follow the law yet. "Vote for me and you'll never have to vote again." But he may have come to terms with keeping voting. "I would run for a third term, but I don't think I can" executive orders are being drafted to fix that
Imagine being a leftist unable to differentiate between Marxism and its pursuit of economic justice and Liberty and Stalinism and its collectivist murderous Bolshevik totalitarianism
The far left is every bit as violent and unprincipled as the far right. Communists and far right fascists have both killed hundreds of millions. Horseshoe theory is a fact.
That doesn't make any sense, what you're describing isn't a horseshoe, it's a circle. Fascism is an extreme right-winged take, there is no place for it on the left of the political spectrum, your description of communists is a far right political view disguising as leftist, it doesn't work.
Yeah but our “communists” are idiot college kids that don’t know how to organize. Our fascists are in power. I get what you’re saying but it’s not that relevant within the context of present day US
The far left statement ist not correct. It’s a left statement. Far left would be to abolition of private property, abolition of capitalism, dismantling armies and getting rid of national borders, things like that. But yeah Americans see everything left of the middle as communist and all the same.
It just seems that way because this country doesn’t have a far left, not really. It’s just that every time someone suggests that maybe poor people don’t deserve to die in misery or some such, they get labeled “extreme left lunatics” by the fuckers in charge, so we consider that the baseline.
Wrong on both counts. The ones on the left can't shut up about their beliefs and forcing everyone to live how they think. The ones on the right can't shut up about their beliefs and forcing everyone to live how they think. Stop gaslighting, it's pathetic.
The far left doesn't exist, it's just a boogyeman term that holds as much weight as leninist-marxists did when said by Pinochet.
And mate, we democratic socialists and most socialists, and also anarchists don't believe that shit, only tankies do that, and everyone hates them for said reason.
Wow!!! how much more wrong do you want to be? I'm what you'd call far left, I don't give flying f how you live, who you love, what you eat, how you dress, or anything...truth is to you I;m a communist, but that's because you have no idea what being left wing is..just your silly Yankee version
bitch the far right rn is literally trying to ban the word gender from nsa papers
like tf you mean
do you think far left wants everyone to be gay and shit and saying that trans rights are human rights is forcing you to be trans?
Usually when we talk about the far left we mean the kind that deny crimes against humanity, not social democrats.
The former also try to exterminate groups they believe to be undesirable.
Indeed. They're looking at the mirror while bitching about the other side. In all honesty as @profgalloway.com points out WWII everyone got things done after the war. Because they were together during the war. Where as today it's about I'm a republican, I'm a democrat... etc. were Americans. Not our
parties. Something people need to remember. It's annoying that a person can disagree without being called a liberal. Its opinion. Nothing political, but it's like people forget to have discussions about things.
The problem is all these democrat voters think they are part of the "far left" just because in usa the overton window is pushed so far to the right they don't even realize they become republicans while republicans became N*z**
Centrist are people who just can't choose. They're just incapable of choosing a direction, choosing what to have for dinner, choosing what to wear the next day or what political party to support.
Projection?🤔🤣 or they just don’t like what the two political parties in America have to offer and agree/disagree with some policies on both sides. Your take is insanely naive
👌🤣 . But for real don't like a party start a new one. Don't sit on the fence riding the post. It may feel good but it doesn't get you anywhere. People like that like you just sit and spin your wheels. Drive somewhere homeboy it'll make you feel better you'll accomplish something.
Spinning my wheels lol. And what exactly are you doing bitching on blue sky as well? Obviously nothing, like me, since you have time to reply. Yep it’s that simple, just start a new political party! You have the world figured out “homeboy”!
Don't be jealous cuz I have a job that lets me burn my time the way I see fit. I've been to 2 protests in my local area in the last 3 weeks. I'm a member of a group that's trying to start a brand new political party. I actively voted for the other side. I can go on. I don't like fence posts. U do u.
Guy wearing a dress and you don’t understand it. Or a guy wanting to violently remove anyone that doesn’t look like him. Yeah I’d rather have a guy wear a dress.
The far right burns everything down because they fear other people that don’t match their skin tone and they feel like the need to be on top of everything and the far left just wants to play activists for their Instagram follower counts while killing the same people they claim to care for
The main reason for the division of society into opposite ideological extremes is economic. During the past five decades, the middle class has gradually been undermined by policies which benefit the wealthy elite. Today, it’s an empty shell. Nobody feels they can afford to be a centrist anymore.
Wishy washy fence sitters.
Just remind yourself that even Martin Luther King Jr became fed up with moderates inability to choose collective justice over their own personal peace of mind
By "far Left" you presumably mean Stalin, Mao, etc? I think we Centrists are very sceptical of visionaries of either flavour, as they tend to see other people as means and not ends.
You're citing a literal fascist, who housed a literal fascist dictatorship who she heavily supported, and who she always defended.
And shut the fuck up about ''socialists being greedy'', yes because we are so greedy we arose in the dirt-poor regions, ye fuckin' idiots.
My experience with people from the far left is that they stole my money not to help other people, but only themselves exactly what the far right did and said but the far left pretends as if they’re helping others when they’re really not
The far left are just as toxic, and fake a lot of the time, they're arguing publicly for the rights of some minority just because is inflates their ego, makes them feel better than, morally superior, and most of the time they're just trying to sound more intelligent than the other guy, ego maniacs🤮
I'm not in the US bro. And I was talking about the argumentative online warriors, who do absolutely fuck all for minorities, have never done a second of charity work, but argue under the guise of being a lefty purely to feel better than the next guy, there's fucking millions of them everywhere.
Ok I was under the impression you were from the US where everything social is considered communism. 😊 I am from Germany and we have two far left partys and two socialist partys. The far left are toxic and just plain dumb.
We don't have a far left party.
The farthest left America goes is the Green party, and they're relatively center-left compared to international politics.
The dems are firmly right wing, though obviously not as much as the reps.
Is there not other choices? Like what the fuck is even going on in America? I despise the far right more than anything but the far left are also annoying af and go too far the other way.
By American standards I don’t even know what I am. I just want average decency towards people and to not fuck anyone over, I’m not sure thats even a stance. That probably makes me a far left looney and it’s so confusing. My mum keeps calling me a liberal and I’m Irish, because I don’t like Trump 😩
Thats doesn’t sound far left to me it seems just average. I thought everyone wanted that apart from Trump supporters for reasons which are unfathomable to me.
Yaaaa it's not far left. For some reason people are saying far left when they mean slightly left of center. Ignoring the reality of what far left actually looks like doesn't help the cause. Far left is redistribution of wealth, anti capitalism. If we're talking FAR, it can mean no private property
I think the 'centrists' is the one that bothers me most and is why Old Don is in the White House. The fact that people can not see the difference is the problem.
Its from here, he’s visiting Lubawitch grave, October 7 related. Why does he have to wear a rabbi-kippa?? It’s very hard to not think he aligns America with a Jewish/Israeli future when seeing this. https://youtu.be/mK5wHVgjeQw
Thank you, if you attend a Jewish service it is respect to have a kippa. I think it is funny that Old Don did not know how to open a Hebrew prayer book, it is kindness that the rabbi helped him with that. But then they are very kind people.
we can't tell the two apart because while that may be the ideal the practice actually looks very similar. i.e. stasi police services, neighbours informing on each other etc.. etc.. etc..
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In reality no govt in the world thrives in the hand of a single leader.
While Tito did go to extremes on certain actions (the whole deserted island treatment to anyone deemed a nazi), it
Mao and Pol Pot, for instance, were not the way. Look up Guangxi Massacre for Mao - human cannibalism warning; or just Pol Pot for Pol Pot.
I think many far left people are doing the art/creative route. To have the message shared.
Also, what is the "far-left?"
"Lets use it to meet the needs of the people" - 'The left'
"Lets use it to sponsor corporations" - 'The Right'
Human; "why won't either one you publically discuss the fact that Im being experimented on."
SANS REDUCTION
I know I will be voting blue for the foreseeable future though.
The gulags and laogai were hotels right
Imagine being a leftist unable to differentiate between Marxism and its pursuit of economic justice and Liberty and Stalinism and its collectivist murderous Bolshevik totalitarianism
Both are a cancer on society.
And where the fuck is the money? It's not going to you
And mate, we democratic socialists and most socialists, and also anarchists don't believe that shit, only tankies do that, and everyone hates them for said reason.
like tf you mean
do you think far left wants everyone to be gay and shit and saying that trans rights are human rights is forcing you to be trans?
(i am saying that because usually they are centrists at best)
The former also try to exterminate groups they believe to be undesirable.
because the US has only two right parties, one of which is fascist.
Just remind yourself that even Martin Luther King Jr became fed up with moderates inability to choose collective justice over their own personal peace of mind
And shut the fuck up about ''socialists being greedy'', yes because we are so greedy we arose in the dirt-poor regions, ye fuckin' idiots.
The farthest left America goes is the Green party, and they're relatively center-left compared to international politics.
The dems are firmly right wing, though obviously not as much as the reps.