Another idea that no one is proposing but maybe someone should: Dems need to find their own narcissistic sociopath with zero connection to politics or public service.
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Someone with a big personality who can cut through the media landscape with big statements and energy does seem to be a path back to power. Doesn’t even have to be a narcissistic sociopath.
Isn’t that kind of like trying to be conservative lite? If people want a sociopath they’ve got the best possible choice. I don’t think we’ll ever beat them at their own game.
Presidential politics in America has been a popularity contest for a very very long time. 2020 was the anomaly - Biden won despite Trump’s gains b/c people were devastated by covid and reeling from the bad economic downturn.
Kamala was too unknown, Trump a cultural phenomenon.
Chris...its actually very simple: Dems need to learn to craft, and sell, a message. Repubs are masters at it. Dems want to be professorial and use data and pontificate. IT DOESNT WORK outside the echo chamber. Thats why repub fear mongering and "eggs and gas" message worked.
I think Democrats and Liberals need to build on what we've just built rather than tear it down and start over. Sure, adjustments in order. Harris and Walz were great candidates who gave their all, raised plenty of money, had a mostly great message and BARELY LOST. That's something to build on.
Or we find an altruistic populist who is not connected to politics but can & does inspire millions to the cause of democracy AND the bigger truths in life. https://youtube.com/live/9Zk-wacS800?feature=share
I’m convinced the rise of the right wing globally is a phenomenon of repetition. They keep running for higher office in various countries regardless of loss or popularity & eventually people vote for them bc why not? Can’t be worse than what we have. Even Harris was more popular the second time.
How many reality show personalities do we have around. It needs to be a narcissist. That’s part of the criteria. Must be in the resume: I’m an extrovert narcissists who refers himself/herself in the third person.
Or the television reports could actually do their job. MSNBC dropped the ball this entire election. You gave him a pass while throwing the democratic candidates under the bus.
This is SO true, but I do believe Chris, Lawrence and Rachel do better than most.
On the whole, they all dropped the ball. Every Network. I just assumed they were bought out by Trump too.
Serious times call for serious people, but this country has flushed that down the toilet. No wonder the world is passing America like a Ferrari passing a bicycle.
The Republican Party seems to have the 'Narcissistic Sociopath with Zero Connection to Politics or Public Service' demographic all to themselves, and I don't think there will be any willing to change their registrations... 🫲 🥴 🫱
The era of law-school clones is over. Democrats need to nominate Kardashians, J. Lo, Charlie Sheen and similar celebrities. Find someone who would eclipse Trump at a public event.
After Carter, every Democratic nominee has been to law school.
In 2028, the Democratic primary - if it is held - will be another round of "Pick your favorite law-school type!" (Sorry, Pete: Consultants also fit the mold.)
I think our mission from today is to get every active democrat to find a democrat that don't vote in elections and convince that democrat to vote in all future elections. We cannot lose if are active.
Jon Stewart. People trust him, name recognition and able to use his wit for viral clips in a political environment where the audience has such a short attention span.
Or just enforce the damned law. Had Biden chosen a prosecutor who didn't give a fart about politics for AG and let him or her run scorched earth across the federal government, incinerating that department of "justice" policy of aiding and abetting presidential crimes and doing their job...
I don't love the idea of finding our own narcissistic sociopath. But if dems aren't calling RFK Jr "Brainworm Bob" every chance they get from now until his confirmation hearings, we've learned nothing.
Sometimes the ends justify the means. In this case, Dems need to start fighting fire with even more fire. Appeal to people’s anger, paranoia, bc joy & hope wasn’t enough to get people to the polls. But being pissed off and wanting a pound of flesh sure did!
One problem is that maga promises everything, then delivers nothing, but the cult doesn't care.
Biden says he wants to eliminate student loan debt, fights to do what he can, but is considered a liar when every single dollar of debt isn't wiped off the books.
Totally agree. Until those promises fall flat, it will be hard to reach those voters. But we need to be ready and find a new way to have our message resonate.
Maybe just don’t make your central message that Liz Cheney supports you?
2020 the entire lead-up to the nomination and subsequently the general election was every Democrat pretending they agree w/ Bernie on everything and have all along.
2024 somehow became 100% “🙏Republicans plz vote for Kamala🙏”
Actually, what I think we need to do is point out every time someone is hurt by Trump policies and play the blame game. This is what the GOP has been doing for years - they were just lying about the problems.
Feels like Oprah’s moment has passed and Dolly Parton should be able enjoy her retirement, so I’m going to go with Clooney or Dwayne Wade. It’s too bad Keanu isn’t American.
Idk that sounds more like an I'm-glad-he's-not-dead because-shit-would-pop-off kind of deal. The Rock strikes me as a guy who would say he doesn't like the man but respects the office and actually mean it, more Schwarzenegger GOP than MAGA
Joking aside, the strongest candidate in this environment is not someone without a baggage or issues of having said or done the wrong thing. It’s someone who has a baggage but simply doesn’t give a flying f** on what people think of themselves.
They are so self confident and shameless that nothing you throw at them will stick. There’s evidence that they lied in the past? Do they change their policy positions frequently based on what works best for them for the moment? So what!. That’s the kind of person who gets the votes.
Just stop! Dems need to step up, it’s true, but let go of any narcissistic sociopathology, thank you very much!
How about framing a firewall of the constitution and fundamental civil and human rights?
Stop facilitating genocide and actually be who we pretend to be.
We begat the United Nations!
Most will be people making a case for their political preferences being right all along
Winners & losers will probably go well past reality in believing voters have undergone some sort of conversion to the cultural badges of one side or away from the other’s
What is being set up though is 4y of Democrat opposition chasing shiny objects & hyperventilating over appointments that vast majority don’t care about, whilst Trump spends day after day bragging unopposed about how good the economy is under him until it becomes perceived fact
I agree that you fight fire with fire but I refuse to lower myself to the level of maga. When I see a rat, I kill it; I don't try to have a conversation with it. Trump win because too many of us sat on their hands instead of voting for a very qualified BLACK WOMAN, it's as simple as that.
If we wait for the next presidentials, we'll be dead on arrival. Elections happen every years, we need the message to be broadcasted 24/7. The message should start from the base going up. Trickle-down political discourse doesn't work.
To win, dems need to beat the GOP at its own game. LOCAL & LOUD
And not for nothing Chris, government and the press were too kind and too “ balanced”. He should’ve been arrested and made an example of 1/6. We lost that day. It showed weakness and they ran with it. What else could they get away with? And here we are.
I have been saying for years that they need to fight fire with fire. Find a celebrity with no political experience who will be popular with the working class. Leave out the narcissistic sociopath part. Surround them with competent people and let them be a figurehead. NOW
I don’t even think that would work lol. There is an issue with the spectrum. The further left you go the more people are being free thinkers and because of that they almost micro analyze the leader of the party to the point where the most radical or most free thinkers won’t support
On the other side the more radical you get the more support there will be for the leader of that party and that creates an advantage paired with the the republicans are using alt media and the democrats simply won’t.
I like this idea. Alec Baldwin, sure! What do we have that they don't? We're not fucking racist, sexist assholes. Also, we're the "well-educated elitists" that actually want to grow our numbers. We'd like all the dumb-fucks out there to be well-educated elitists. Let's use our giant noggins.
Unfortunately most Dems can only bring themselves to vote for someone who is “smart”, “competent” and “educated” with “no serious personality defects” and “cognitively sound.” We may be our own worst enemies.
I'm going to suggest that the narcissistic sociopath part isn't the attraction.
Looking at the replies from AOC of people who voted for both her and Trump is illuminating.
People like the *authenticity* of Trump. (and AOC)
We now live in a world of manufactured image. From social media influencers to carefully crafted moviestar personalities with a staff of people interacting with fans online.
In such a landscape, *authenticity* is a currency. If you're "real" you're rich in it.
Dems need to stop treating social media as something for their staff to manage, with scheduled and carefully crafted talking points, and start actually making their posts themselves. And replying to people, again, themselves.
Get out there are BE YOURSELF online. Stop curating your image.
Well, okay, but can he/she at least have an IQ higher than a rock, be able to speak in complete sentences, and not look like the great pumpkin after being on the porch in the sun for weeks?
Just another thought from my upcoming article on https://therealenemywithin.substack.com
Would Biden be justified and immune to immediately incarcerate Trump as a Domestic terrorist? Maybe send him to a dark hole somewhere in Guantanamo Bay as a threat to the safety and welfare of the American citizens?
And I think for worse what Republicans and Trumpism have shown us is there’s nothing to be lost by lying about everything all the time in every situation in pursuit of power
You are on the right track. I'm saying we need a whole new way. Fire every Democrat in leadership. Clean house and do something different. Don't get hung up on if there's a report on Gaetz or not. Don't engage in trumps system. Get way outside the box or we will lose everything if we haven't already
Or maybe they just like… start actually addressing the concerns of the people which means moving to the left. If it’s true Harris was advised to lay off billionaires THAT is the type of shot that cost her the election.
Travis is like actively apolitical and (God love him) dumb as a box of rocks. Could see it working in reverse though, Taylor is vetted, has a strong, appealing brand, pretty sharp and could work the "I'd rather be doing rich person stuff but I was called to service" thing
More like, their own version of someone that comes off as authentic. Their own version of an entertaining spectacle. Someone with no talking points and no filter, but they can still be a good person that is used to do good things. Bill Burr, Bill Maher, The Rock, Tom Hanks, John Cena, Howard Stern?
He could start doing speaking engagements, commercials, interviews. Remind maga how nobody can trust Biden because he’s a body double and how nobody should trust the other trump because he’s a double. Maga would be so confused. We could get Rambo to play trump and they’d still fall for it.
And when a Republican goes "hey wait, aren't you just Alec Baldwin?" He could double down and claim that the Trump we've been seeing in the media since 2015 is actually the real Alec Baldwin, and he just pretended to be Alec Baldwin pretending to be Trump on SNL for deep cover reasons.
I like Mark Cuban because he’s an independent thinker. On a panel for broadcasters (I think) he said the customer
Is not always right because he or she has no idea the possibilities in the future. First I heard someone say that.
Dems need to run someone who has charisma. Ppl give their fellow Americans too much credit, thinking they take the time to vet candidates properly. Put someone out there that the common man can "relate" to who can also charm others with their "aura" & u have a good chance at winning back voters
It’s the info wars. The RW is dominating with propaganda and it’s becoming more of a route every day. They already had an advantage but it got even a lot bigger since 2020. Something has to be done to try to turn the tide.
I think the Democratic Party needs to make a couple of realizations.
- Democrats in NY and CA are not the same people as the states in between. (There is a whole lot to be unwrapped here.)
- Latino voters are a very diverse group of people. Their common language doesn't make them the same.
At this point Dems' best shot might be running a pro-Russia white supremacist psycho in the 2028 Republican primary to win office and then turn-coating for pluralistic democracy after being sworn in.
Mainstream media normalized Trump and MAGA! The GOP has a disinformation machine brainwashing people! The Dems need something similar but with the truth!
Don’t forget the efficacy of repeating lies about the other party’s policies and values for years until they are widely perceived as true, and get the media to play along
I keep thinking about that scene in The Untouchables, where Sean Connery's character says:
"You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way!"
yeah we already tried Bloomberg and Avenatti. How about let's not. Sociopaths are sociopaths.
Feel the need to say this even in the face of "joke" because too many people really think the problem is that we aren't assholing enough and also toss ethics & the vulnerable over the side.
Do think there's an opening for someone completely out of politics right now to take our rage and despair and capture it in a compelling way like he did with them.
Every now and then I see a guy with no shoes and claiming to be Jesus in front of the grocery store. We could set up a table with some pens and a ballot access petition at little to no expense.
I am trying to determine what level of crazy I am willing to go to to win. Athlete? Heck yeah! Pseudo-athlete like John Cena? Not a wrestling guy, but bring it on! The Rock? You bet! Mark Cuban ... sure, why not? But like ... beyond that, what level will I go to? I am there to be had.
That would be a race to the bottom and would probably not solve the issue with I believe is more that Dems (and progressives) sell policies while Reps validate the pain of the people. Dems need to step down from their high horse and start addressing tangible issues. IMHO
I was thinking the Dems should find a famous middle aged white guy who played a president on TV or in a movie. The MAGA voters would vote for him simply because "it just feels right."
I can pretend to be a narcissistic psychopath. Elect me then - plot twist - I'm actually a benevolent overlord! Tax the rich! Climate repair initiatives! Increase the education budget!
Seriously, no. Here's the thing. Regular, avg, people with no power, who are appalled by what is happening, need a plan, a real strategy withreal tactics. Voting didn't work. We fight the good fight in our limited way. Shouting into the ether is not a plan, nor is this. No more flailing. A plan? 🙏
Chris and Molly, please talk about this. The 2nd Duty to Warn letter from republican tech expert @spoonamore on X ( not anonymous in this letter )
This should be in the MEDIA ASP. I cant understand why there is silence, this is real. Look at the numbers, read this. Please i beg you DO something.
Dems need to focus less on celebrity endorsements and more on social media conversations. TV folks, actors and millionaire singers don’t reach people the way they used to
I’ve thought George Clooney and Tom Hanks for a while. Tom Cruise is too nuts. Mark Cuban isn’t bad but I don’t know too much about the details of his politics. He comes out of the right genre though! Dems- lean into the culture of fame!
Honestly though, Trump is such a narcissist that all the Dems had to do was stroke his ego and he would have given us whatever we wanted as long as his name is attached to it: Trumpcare, Trump Climate Act, Trump Student Loan Forgiveness, Trump Equal Rights Ammendment, Trump Living Wage Increase etc.
I saw a great interview with him and Jon Stewart a couple months ago where he talked about this. I like him! I don't know his stance on other things, and I also have no idea what the American people want anymore. I am keeping an open mind.
Except Dems are missing a compliant fully operational propaganda network that would support flying directly into the face of reality. With the RNC->Fox->streamers pipeline you can see damn near anything. Dem messaging outsourced and diluted by "news" entities.
Mark Cuban, except he isn't narcissistic or a sociopath. You should see some of the activism he does. In fact it could be disqualifying if you want someone center. If you want someone left of center, that's Cuban. At least socially.
nah i think we just let them do the damage they wish for, then clean up and expand as usual. we actually get better and better. it just looks bad now like when you reset a bad break! we just gotta go there.
I think the Dem comeback will be relatively easy, with one big if. Trump and his cronies are going to screw things up so badly that the comeback will happen organically, IF the GOP fails in achieving Trump's autocratic goals.
It was lost when Joe Manchin tanked the federal minimum wage rise from the poop deck of his massive yacht, along with undoing the anti-union laws in red states & the promised investment in public housing. The index linked livable minimum wage alone would have been transformative.
How about a death row serial killer? White male, gets things done, says what he means, hates women and minorities, low IQ, sociopath, macho tough guy, evaded justice for decades. Checks all the boxes Americans look for in their leaders.
He has the charisma of a dry cracker. We need someone with charisma - who isn’t a politician/aspiring politician. This is a legit consideration for a shallow electorate that is committed to being uninformed.
Republicans have proven they will cross lines Dems won’t - using misinformation and corruption to win power. Not saying there aren’t Dems who are are corrupt liars (NY mayor) but as a party Rs have fully embraced it. RFK jr found home there. Weaponized misinformation aimed at white grievances.
My armchair theory is that it’s a combination of relative status and unmet expectations that’s making Americans feel unsettled. This is why grievance works. It’s a hard problem to solve because status is inherently zero-sum, and expectations in a rapidly changing global tech world are hard to meet.
I disagree. We needed Newsom in 2024 ( When I said it, many people responded as if, even entertaining the idea was racist and misogynistic -btw djt voters are exactly that-) Newsom is the right candidate we need to stop looking for BO 2.0 that person doesn't exist, for now.
Sadly, we need a celebrity to run in 2028… also, the gloves need to come off, and Merrick Garland really, really, really let us down. His careful, sit on his hands approach was a big fat failure. Why didn’t ANYONE go after corporations who were price gauging Americans?
The problem isn’t the messenger. It’s the lack of values. Democrats don’t have any meaningful values right now. They exist to get elected and preserve the status quo.
Stand for something meaningful and you’ll start getting somewhere.
Democrats need a narcissistic billionaire who had a successful long-running reality show on NBC that portrayed them as a brilliant business person. It is your network that created the Trump myth and condemned our nation.
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Because a face won't do a good job as a president.
Fuck it, I'll do it, I can put a heist team together. How much harder could THIS be?
Kamala was too unknown, Trump a cultural phenomenon.
Dems need a star!
A racist shitbag, a horrible person and a Russian asset.
You sanewashed his nonsense.
Also Democrats don't control 90% of the media, Republicans do.
On the whole, they all dropped the ball. Every Network. I just assumed they were bought out by Trump too.
Until we step back and understand that 1/2 country lives in factless universe I don’t see how we solve the problem.
The era of law-school clones is over. Democrats need to nominate Kardashians, J. Lo, Charlie Sheen and similar celebrities. Find someone who would eclipse Trump at a public event.
I like Eminem, but he may not be a sociopath.
In 2028, the Democratic primary - if it is held - will be another round of "Pick your favorite law-school type!" (Sorry, Pete: Consultants also fit the mold.)
Bonus - it would drive Trump insane.
Sure, lots of corrupt dems would have ended up in prison also, but who cares?
Biden says he wants to eliminate student loan debt, fights to do what he can, but is considered a liar when every single dollar of debt isn't wiped off the books.
2020 the entire lead-up to the nomination and subsequently the general election was every Democrat pretending they agree w/ Bernie on everything and have all along.
2024 somehow became 100% “🙏Republicans plz vote for Kamala🙏”
Host of a popular reality show produced by Mark Burnett, just like Donny.
Also has lots of experience managing people in the midst of social strife and limited food…
Bonus, maybe he lets us vote Matt Gaetz and Alex Jones out of the tribe.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-praises-trumps-defiance-assassination-attempt-we-wanted-see-that
One more thing to hate
“In today’s easy cancel culture world — and cancel culture, woke culture, this culture, that culture, division, etc. — that really bugs me"
https://nypost.com/2024/04/05/us-news/the-rock-will-not-endorse-biden-again-my-goal-is-to-bring-this-country-together/
Just someone insanely fired up about WHY CAN’T EVERY KID GET FREE LUNCH!!?! and FORGIVE THE GODDAMN STUDENT LOANS!!1!! and EAT THE RICH!!!!!
I could really get behind some intensity like that.
How about framing a firewall of the constitution and fundamental civil and human rights?
Stop facilitating genocide and actually be who we pretend to be.
We begat the United Nations!
Winners & losers will probably go well past reality in believing voters have undergone some sort of conversion to the cultural badges of one side or away from the other’s
Sum of all takes likely cancels out 1/
To win, dems need to beat the GOP at its own game. LOCAL & LOUD
(But he’s not a narcissistic sociopath)
To paraphrase MLK, the white moderate is our greatest obstacle.
Looking at the replies from AOC of people who voted for both her and Trump is illuminating.
People like the *authenticity* of Trump. (and AOC)
He rambles and he's shockingly ignorant and all that, but he is what he appears to be. And people like that.
In such a landscape, *authenticity* is a currency. If you're "real" you're rich in it.
Get out there are BE YOURSELF online. Stop curating your image.
Would Biden be justified and immune to immediately incarcerate Trump as a Domestic terrorist? Maybe send him to a dark hole somewhere in Guantanamo Bay as a threat to the safety and welfare of the American citizens?
And I think for worse what Republicans and Trumpism have shown us is there’s nothing to be lost by lying about everything all the time in every situation in pursuit of power
For the most part its not really about winning for sleek democrats happy to take corporate donor's dollars.
Their machine is set up to stop populists winning in the party
Then they used that as a reason to vote against Democrats.
However if when discussing republicans you began by saying they are narcissistic sociopaths maybe the election would be different.
I also like how he triggers magats.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a62897442/dnc-david-axelrod-rahm-emanuel/
Also: NO
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Is not always right because he or she has no idea the possibilities in the future. First I heard someone say that.
- Democrats in NY and CA are not the same people as the states in between. (There is a whole lot to be unwrapped here.)
- Latino voters are a very diverse group of people. Their common language doesn't make them the same.
Thanks for playing.
"You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way!"
the miasma of a trump..
Feel the need to say this even in the face of "joke" because too many people really think the problem is that we aren't assholing enough and also toss ethics & the vulnerable over the side.
I'm telling you, I would be great at this.
Or Jasmine Crockett.
Or AOC.
Or, goddammit, Walz in the driver's seat.
Good luck with that.
This is permanent. He'll die in office.
I understand, probably share your sentiment, but we have no clue how this will play out.
I absolutely see that Trump could go so berserk that he quickly loses the support of congress members in vulnerable places.
Have you been paying attention to 𝒂𝒏𝒚𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 that's been happening?
Fascists don't give up power.
Also, it would be helpful to find a foreign country that could assist in extra-legal ways.
This should be in the MEDIA ASP. I cant understand why there is silence, this is real. Look at the numbers, read this. Please i beg you DO something.
I’d prefer hearing their “I told you so” had Joe stayed in & lost, rather than their silence & an analysis of Kamala’s 109 day campaign.
The pollsters & pundits missed 10 million people staying home.
Too many.
And there on the other side - people got away with rapes.
Disgusting.
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