"in the short term, we're all dead"
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0940L5MYRkWjCO8a0NN2kN?si=QOrhXJa9SBiFCblUkGXvLw
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0940L5MYRkWjCO8a0NN2kN?si=QOrhXJa9SBiFCblUkGXvLw
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