The country that hates nazis hired a bunch of nazis to build rockets in the 40s. America is defined by hating communists way more than hating nazis. If AOC wants to be the voice of change she must admit how fucked up America is and how it needs to be better. Don't go "actual MAGA". - ThreadSky

guslanzetta.bsky.social • 143 days ago

The country that hates nazis hired a bunch of nazis to build rockets in the 40s. America is defined by hating communists way more than hating nazis. If AOC wants to be the voice of change she must admit how fucked up America is and how it needs to be better. Don't go "actual MAGA".

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AOC: I don’t care what Elon Musk is doing behind the presidential seal, but in this country we hate Nazis. Kind of like a foundational defining thing. Two of the foundational things about American history is that we beat the confederates and we beat the Nazis.

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thelastfabeo.bsky.social•143 days ago

Os caras importaram nazi de tonelada, deixam eles fazerem manifestação livremente nas ruas e agora "ain pq a gente odeian"

kotonoaware.bsky.social•143 days ago

It's fair to say that two of the foundational ~myths~ of the US are that it has beat those two, though. And that myth has been instrumental in changing attitudes towards racism in postwar North America.

kotonoaware.bsky.social•143 days ago

*of the contemporary US

hannaoliveira.bsky.social•143 days ago

Fora que todo o país é fundado num mito de povo escolhido etc etc tipo tua fundação não é nazista mas tá um pouco lá perto, sim

biggsssss.bsky.social•143 days ago

Even more "foundational" to this plutocratic mess of an oligarchy that is the US is the fact that the elite Atlantic capital fostered the Nazi party in hopes it would serve as a bulwark against Soviet Russia

jalabhar.bsky.social•143 days ago

America has been hating Nazis according to their weekly updated definition of what a Nazi is, which has only an occasional vague resemblance to actual Nazis

guslanzetta.bsky.social•143 days ago

There's nothing beautiful to return to, there's a better tomorrow to be built and it has to be a tomorrow, time moves forward and we must as well. We didn't lose our way, we realized there's another path. We want to go where we haven't been.

yobigrube.bsky.social•140 days ago

Thnx for this thread

sanzitos.deichator.ar•143 days ago

os estados unidos é definido por dizer que odeiam nazistas sem entender exatamente o que é um nazista

jessehawken.bsky.social•143 days ago

good point

somanymonkeys.bsky.social•143 days ago

The USSR took far more former Nazi scientists into their military research programs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Alsos

guslanzetta.bsky.social•143 days ago

Sure and we shouldn't stand here and pretend there's some utopic USSR that didn't to return to. My point was that America's past should not be part of what we're shooting for. That we should argue from a position of proposing a better and different future.

somanymonkeys.bsky.social•143 days ago

"America is defined by hating communists way more than hating nazis" is nonsense betrayed by the fact that we teamed up with communists to beat the Nazis. Post WW2, the communists became the threat & Nazis were mostly a fringe joke, until recently.

somanymonkeys.bsky.social•143 days ago

There's a lot of failure to live up to the ideals, but "All people are created equal & have an inalienable right to Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness" is a damned good starting point for a society.

somanymonkeys.bsky.social•143 days ago

There's a lot of failure to live up to the ideals, but we still acknowledge the ideals. Forgetting them & the struggles to live up to them is what allowed "Make America Great Again" get traction. AOC is correct that we need to remember where we've been to get where we want to be.

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