Here we go again: The Romanian model of overturning elections when the radical centre does not like their result is now spreading to Germany. The delusion that the enemies of democracy will be defeated by banning democracy spreads like a deadly virus. www.ft.com/content/35f4... - ThreadSky

yanisvaroufakis.bsky.social • 3 days ago

Here we go again: The Romanian model of overturning elections when the radical centre does not like their result is now spreading to Germany. The delusion that the enemies of democracy will be defeated by banning democracy spreads like a deadly virus. https://www.ft.com/content/35f46c4b-4fc1-4c1c-a19c-91a0d30f8528

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patmat.bsky.social•2 days ago

For over a decade, the US has researched how to weaponize social media—and they succeeded. I think that Misinformation and algorithm manipulation aren’t “free speech”; they’re tools of control. We should treat weapons as weapons.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/air-force-research-how-to-use-social-media-to-control-people-like-drones/

cleptoo.bsky.social•3 days ago

Ask to see their evidence and fin them if they are lying.

lingon.bsky.social•3 days ago

For sure, just excluding the far right with centrist blocs and court cases is no long term strategy to deal with the problem. But how to deal with what are serious attempts to influence elections coming from Russia, and others like Musk?

fluffycat.bsky.social•3 days ago

Would Yanis have said this in 1930s germany if the nazis were elected but then prohibited from coming to power? ... probably

klrjts.bsky.social•2 days ago

The Nazis were invited to power by the radical center.

Go read about it.

mishoiliev.bsky.social•2 days ago

I’m afraid so…

stopthistrain.bsky.social•2 days ago

Russian stooge declared that he spent 0 Leu on his campaign while in reality he was spending tens of millions of russian money for misinformation campaigns on social networks. He should be on trial for treason.

urban1yoga.bsky.social•3 days ago

I am interested in knowing what and how you would do things? This is a serious question.

wm899.bsky.social•3 days ago

So, you support corruption. Make sense. You probably been on the Russian payroll for years now.

stijn123.bsky.social•3 days ago

Ah yes let's give the right more weapons to use against the left, just maaaaaybe they will use it against the far-right?

Nooo Merz is cracking downz not on the putschprinzpartei, but on "omas gegen rechts"

dtxoz.bsky.social•3 days ago

Yeah, because Putin is famous for his neo-Marxist thought and his antagonism towards oligarchy. That's why he's paying Yanis big bucks, for sure. 🙄

wm899.bsky.social•3 days ago

Putin supports anyone who loathes the West. Far left and far right. Russia Today is a prime example of that. Look at Yanis excusing outright corruption because West = Bad.

mofo75.bsky.social•3 days ago

And when the West (i.e. the USA, UK and other lackeys) were overturning elections, supporting dictatorships and invading other countries? were you as vocal then? This is no good guy bad guy situation like a Hollywood film.

wm899.bsky.social•3 days ago

Yes. I despise imperialism. By all countries. You support Russian imperialism because they are attacking the West. The West isn't moral but compared to Russia. We are angelic. Why do you stay in the West ?

mofo75.bsky.social•3 days ago

Ah the typical inane reply of "why do you stay in the west". 2 things - 1. I do not support Russian imperialism. 2. We are angelic? Tell that to the MILLIONS killed during the war on terror in in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and more recently in GAZA. Perhaps its you who should move to the US

maneznam.bsky.social•3 days ago

How would you protect an election from outside interference?

stijn123.bsky.social•3 days ago

By protecting democracy before the elections, not just when you don't like the outcome.

The same cdu is fine with working with afd even after the putschprinz-situation.

Remember: Merz is using the "foreighn intervention" scare against "omas gegen rechts" of all people.

jake0149.bsky.social•2 days ago

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Here in the US, our elections ARE severely compromised, not from without, but from within.

Each party calls it out and cries foul, when the other wins.
But neither duopoly party aknowledges it when they win.

Sometimes D wins, sometimes R.

But the billionaire bosses win every time.
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tracewood.bsky.social•3 days ago

I thought you understood how propaganda worked. The election in Romania was not democracy in action; it was more like what cigarette companies do to their customers: secretly addict them to lies. Also, re-familiarize yourself with Popper's thoughts on tolerance; it applies to democracy, too.

dtxoz.bsky.social•3 days ago

All major parties everywhere are exactly like tobacco companies, you're right there.

balkanized.bsky.social•3 days ago

Not in China. Xi Jinping wrote 2500 pages doctrine on how to keep China socialist.
Just some.
https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/api/product-pdf/public/c1dmwn4r

f-nin.bsky.social•3 days ago

Let’s also remember the case of France. They did accomplish the elections, but the president, using his power as a fraud, didn’t name for prime-minister the winner of elections. He didn’t respect the people of his country. So, it’s the same as Romania’s crazyness, but with another flavor.

gregred.bsky.social•3 days ago

Your “misinformation denial” seems to be very similar to “climate denial”. Not believing the obvious and blaming the ones who try to fight it

sokataa.bsky.social•3 days ago

Radical center... More like moderate right really. They are trying now to get voters from Georgescu using some of his rhetoric. Disgusting.

fnix.link•3 days ago

It's not a delusion when the parties in question break laws and endanger the democratic system – which has been a concern since the federal republic's founding by the way, not some Romanian import. FRG has banned parties before.

fnix.link•3 days ago

This is like saying the electorate must reject Trump as if in some moral purity test, instead of barring him from running for his crimes, which the Brazilians did with Bolsonaro. Whose democracy is in a better place at the moment, Yanis?

patmat.bsky.social•2 days ago

What they did to Lula you mean. Bolsonaro was already politically dead when charged.

klrjts.bsky.social•2 days ago

Bolsonaro's party is still in the legislative branch and several states, with his allies pushing his agenda still.

One man down does not change a systemic problem.

parpababa.bsky.social•3 days ago

Great point. I can’t speak for Yanis, but I guess the biggest problem here is democracies becoming the guy who cried wolf. If every election with troubling outcomes can be blamed on foreign interference, I am pretty sure over time the point will become moot, even in the most serious cases.

parpababa.bsky.social•3 days ago

If there was any foreign interference—which is very, very likely—that should be treated with the seriousness it deserves, and not to become mainly a political talking point.

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