I think Demon souls was the main game when devs realized there's people who don't want to feel talked down at. Loved DeS. I loved both Japanese and western games at the time, but I was much more into Oblivion, Halo, Dragon age(annoying tutorial in DA too), etc. I love survival horror as well. - ThreadSky

koiofokinawa.bsky.social • 70 days ago

I think Demon souls was the main game when devs realized there's people who don't want to feel talked down at. Loved DeS. I loved both Japanese and western games at the time, but I was much more into Oblivion, Halo, Dragon age(annoying tutorial in DA too), etc. I love survival horror as well.

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koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

My main thing for any dev, from anywhere, is respect a players time and respect a players integrity. Accessibility options/optional tutorials are great, but constant tutorials, yellow paint, invasive UI etc makes me feel like devs think I'm dumb, don't like it.

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

A lot of industry people felt comfortable saying that stuff about how bad Demon's was in a way they had to walk back for the sequel. Hell, there was a bit of a revival of that when some AAA devs went off on how bad Elden Ring's UI was

velstrak.bsky.social•70 days ago

that was a very funny aspect.

i dont remember bad mouth on Demons Souls specifically. word of mouth hyped up the game....

however, Dark Souls being multiplat resulted in the 'Artificial Difficulty' debates. many claiming Difficulty was inherently outdated and every game should just be a movie😂

velstrak.bsky.social•70 days ago

(but it was funny learning behind the scenes how sony hated demons souls 😂)

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I think there's a place for movie-like games and gameplay driven experiences. Diversity is the fruit of the industry. But a lot of people seem to want to erase the thing they aren't into and that's always been odd to me. Like the "Grummz crowd" on Twitter.

velstrak.bsky.social•70 days ago

oh definitely.

i loved MGS4 despite half the game being cutscenes.... cus the cutscenes were all fun.

i wish that 'cinematic game' took from metal gear where the 'cinematic' aspect was just how theres cool movie cutscenes... rather than heavily scripted sequences.

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I personally don't remember being personally bothered by ERs UI, but people did complain about it. Ubisoft comes to mind quick. I want to see the game, the world, not having UI pollution. Disappearing UI while exploring is cool, helps a lot imo

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

Haven't played it yet myself, but from watching Stalker 2, it's very good about that

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

That's an even more complex topic, because I think it's clear that From's UIs are often intentionally obtuse or limited for very particular reasons. They aren't accomplishing the same thing as Horizon: Zero Dawn's UI at all

koiofokinawa.bsky.social•70 days ago

I gotta head to bed for work tonight, was nice having a civil back and forth with yall despite not agreeing 100%. Respect.

Also yeah I hated Horizons UI tbh, but I didn't like Horizon in general. Didn't click with it.

impemboganecue.bsky.social•70 days ago

Yeah dude, it was an interesting discussion, have a good evening

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