So I do think this is an interesting point, because I feel like "AGI can't exist" is at least as much of a religious claim as the reverse. If evolution can develop material processes that result in human consciousness, in theory it should be a solvable engineering problem to deliberately replicate. - ThreadSky

phillyinsomniac.bsky.social • 3 days ago

So I do think this is an interesting point, because I feel like "AGI can't exist" is at least as much of a religious claim as the reverse. If evolution can develop material processes that result in human consciousness, in theory it should be a solvable engineering problem to deliberately replicate.

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pnbloem.com•3 days ago

It's a fascinating thought experiment, absolutely! It just shouldn't be a concept that is taken seriously as a corporate goal or marketing campaign. Anyone raising it in those concepts should be laughed out of town.

phillyinsomniac.bsky.social•3 days ago

oh yeah, I mean entirely in terms of "theoretically possible future development that doesn't require learning Einsteinian physics is fundamentally wrong," not in the robo-Calvinist nerd-Rapture TESCREAL thing

deviousnull.bsky.social•3 days ago

Religious claims are an act of faith and can be disregarded. "There is no evidence for AGI" is a factual statement, it does not require faith, the opposite does.

phillyinsomniac.bsky.social•3 days ago

"There is no evidence for AGI currently extant" is a fact statement. "AGI will never be practical" is speculation based on available facts. "AGI is impossible" seems, to me, to be predicated on the assumption that consciousness involves non-material components that can't be known or replicated.

deviousnull.bsky.social•3 days ago

The issues with AGI may just be down to silicon being a bad standing for biological processes. That doesn't require anything mystical. Or it could just be a question of compute/data/energy resources. Again nothing spooky or mystical required.

deviousnull.bsky.social•3 days ago

Ok fair but who said that it would never be practical?

That it's impossible due to etc... "seems to you" and the assumptions are (I think) an assumption you're bringing in.

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emote-control.bsky.social•3 days ago

Yeah, there's nothing special about meat. Just because your brain is wet doesn't make it a different sort of thing than a silicon brain. The main reason why AGI is a pipe dream is because extrapolating LLMs won't get us there because they're the wrong sort of thing, and we don't know what else to do

trollbot.bsky.social•3 days ago

hmm interesting.

mostly agree - but I don't think you'll get to AGI on silicone.

making rocks think is a tough business. I don't think recreating life itself would be easier, but I do think it would be easier to hijack the "existing work" for processing power.

sisyphet.bsky.social•3 days ago

What's irritating is that what they're calling AI is a card shuffling machine, we're giving it credit for the hand it's dealing but the meaning comes from the game that we're playing. The technology currently being marketed as AI does not lead to AGI.

trollbot.bsky.social•3 days ago

I hate it so much because it's just an electric talking parrot.

but also HOLY SHIT IT'S AN ELECTRIC TALKING PARROT

this technology is so fucking cool without the hype. it's what Siri and Alexa should've been.

samokorosec.bsky.social•3 days ago

Plenty of things are theoretically possible.

Plenty of theoretically possible things are practically impossible.

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phillyinsomniac.bsky.social•3 days ago

Sure, I'm mostly making a distinction between "really really really really hard" speculative technology vs "literally impossible based on current models of how physics works"

phillyinsomniac.bsky.social•3 days ago

"really hard" might well mean "functionally impossible in practice," for sure

phillyinsomniac.bsky.social•3 days ago

(not to say that "AGI could be hypothetically possible" should be in any way conflated with "a predictive text generator with enough processing power could be a person, nay, a god")

r3d00c.bsky.social•3 days ago

that's very lazy logic, that's like saying atheism is just another religion... the generally accepted idea of agi is mainly championed by vibe coders hope-casting because they're too incompetent to comprehend the nature of complexity or capitalists who want to make a quick buck

r3d00c.bsky.social•3 days ago

computers have no intrinsic system of self motivation (which we get through evolution), either biological or semiconductor based, because they're not being made for self motivation but to follow orders, machine learning tools will just be that, tools..

r3d00c.bsky.social•3 days ago

people have a hard time understanding the conception of sytemic emergence's role in how higher order complexity arises, americans especially because they have this weird cultish idea of extreme individuality and "manifest destiny", it'll happen "because we want it to happen" real bad.........

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