Encouraging to see Gov's latest report: Domestic combustion PM2.5 emissions down 7% compared to 2022. The total for domestic combustion emissions is now lower than all road transport. Make the switch to a modern stove to help reduce further #burnbetter www.gov.uk/government/s... #cleanairnight - ThreadSky

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social • 13 days ago

Encouraging to see Gov's latest report: Domestic combustion PM2.5 emissions down 7% compared to 2022. The total for domestic combustion emissions is now lower than all road transport. Make the switch to a modern stove to help reduce further #burnbetter
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/emissions-of-air-pollutants/emissions-of-air-pollutants-in-the-uk-particulate-matter-pm10-and-pm25 #cleanairnight

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bettertimes.bsky.social•12 days ago

That doesn’t reflect reality. Full emissions from stoves are local and have a devastating effect on neighbours. They are breathing in the all the most toxic smoke before it dissipates and is measured. Report not a reason to buy a stove! Is a reason to switch to an air source heat pump! #AirPollution

country-air.bsky.social•8 days ago

Ok stoker

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•10 days ago

So you think PM2.5 of 46.995ktonnes is acceptable if everyone decided to swap to “Ecodesign” wood burning? 4X more than all road vehicles including brake&tyre wear, etc? Explain why you think this is “sustainable”? We’d be back to the pollution levels of the 50s. Why can a minority pollute so much?

country-air.bsky.social•8 days ago

One question is where is the evidence that stoves were responsible for any alleged reductions in particulate matter? To say their modern stoves made a difference is highly dubious!

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•8 days ago

No evidence at all. They claim "modern" stoves all replace open fires but anyone living in a SCA knows they are installed by people who have never burned before. DEFRA report confirms most are new installations and this will be much higher in SCAs as open fires are prohibited.

country-air.bsky.social•5 days ago

These stokers are just bullies puffed and bloated on cash from their stink products (my personal opinion only). They rely on an industry mouthpiece to make media appearances and make themselves look good.

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•8 days ago

Defra report says 46% new installations, so not quite most, just a large %. However, this is flawed data as the information came from the stove industry and they want to push their narrative that most are replacements for open fires. In SCAs we know that close to 100% are new installations.

country-air.bsky.social•5 days ago

Nobody who wants to do a proper analysis should rely on data and bullshit spin from that industrial stoke lobby. They stink and so do the filthy stenching products that they promote. I don't personally see much difference between this and the tobacco crap that we endured over time

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•9 days ago

Ecodesign stoves make up a small percentage of that figure burning upto 90% better. If those that burn wood switched to a modern stove the figure would be greatly reduced. Stoves won’t suit all properties (eg flats) but many rely on it. No energy source is perfect https://www.charnwood.com/news/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-what-were-overlooking-in-our-heating-choices-and-their-impacts-on-sustainability/

bettertimes.bsky.social•2 days ago

Hardly any property relies on burning wood. Anyone not off grid relying on stoves were badly advised. Even if we said a so called ecodesign stove would improve the situation What are you doing to facilitate the change? Plenty of your oldies still out there belching toxic smoke!

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•9 days ago

Its not a case of being"perfect"! It shouldn't be too much to expect your neighbour's heating choice not to fill your home with toxic fumes that can kill. This nearly happened to us on a number of occasions. Average UK emissions are meaningless when we have a 40,000µg/m³ source of PM2.5 <2m away.

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•9 days ago

We do appreciate your situation is not good and needs addressing but there are many, many homes that operate modern stoves effectively with no issues. Our mission is to make burning as efficient and clean as possible and to ensure it is done well, responsibly and respectfully.

bettertimes.bsky.social•2 days ago

Funny that is what you said to me! Implication that our situation is an exception and personal to us. The point is most people don’t know that they are being poisoned by wood smoke so they don’t speak up. Nobody operates a wood stove with no issues that is simply untrue!

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•9 days ago

There are many, many homes near us that regularly cause outrageous pollution in the street outside. All Ecodesign stoves. Some are Charnwood clearSkies models that you claim are very low emission. If you believe this is user error you'd be asking for more robust safeguarding regs. Why are you not?

charnwoodstoves.bsky.social•9 days ago

As you will know we are passionate about correct use and clean burning - in fact this is our latest product. You are welcome to come and see it in action, and we're sure you will be impressed because it solves the problems you are experiencing
https://bsky.app/profile/charnwoodstoves.bsky.social/post/3lg72luitgs2c

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•9 days ago

According to a recent DEFRA survey, 46% were new installations, not a replacement for an older stove or fireplace. Likely much higher in Smoke Control Areas. The stove industry is increasing air pollution with its dangerous, greenwashing marketing.

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•9 days ago

But that's not what's happening! In London and other SCAs "Ecodesign" stoves are installed by people who have never burned before. Where is your evidence to suggest that they are being installed by open fire users? There is no incentive for people outside SCAs to install expensive stoves.

mikehinford.bsky.social•9 days ago

Why do you only talk about PM2.5 emissions? That's just one of many.
Ultrafine Particles from modern stoves are double that of older stoves. That's not reducing UFPs is it?
You don't actually care about clean air. You only care about money.

https://youtu.be/QmxI9HV5yJU

nbrsvswoodsmoke.bsky.social•9 days ago

Exactly, all the particulate matter emissions are outrageously high. It also matters what substances make up the particulates - in the case of wood burning, most are extremely toxic and carcinogenic, such as the PAHs. Very likely "Ecodesign" is now the largest source of these in Smoke Control Areas.

chronicchannel.bsky.social•12 days ago

Very disingenuous from you... again!

Look closer at the data, and you can see that "wood used as fuel" has increased from 2022 to 2023.
From 9.6% to 10.7% of overall PM2.5 (5.7 to 6 in thousand tonnes of PM2.5)

#NeverBurn

chronicchannel.bsky.social•12 days ago

@charnwoodstoves.bsky.social can't read!
linked page
"In these more recent years, considerable decreases in emissions from some sources (e.g. from road transport and energy industries) have been partly offset by increases in emissions from other activities, such as wood burning in domestic settings"

country-air.bsky.social•8 days ago

Are they basically lying or...? Seems really like desperation from a polluting industry that has an increasingly stinking reputation these days.

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