I think Abundance Agenda stuff is basically rooted in the same logic of the New Deal, that to dave democracy people need to see democracy deliver - ThreadSky

unavaleable.bsky.social • 8 days ago

I think Abundance Agenda stuff is basically rooted in the same logic of the New Deal, that to dave democracy people need to see democracy deliver

Reposted from James Medlock

I don't think abundance stuff expands the coalition on the front end, but the key thing is actually *doing* abundance would be incredibly beneficial, to demonstrate competent blue state governance, to prevent losses in the House/EC, and to reduce zero sum conflict which pushes people right

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bahrad.bsky.social•8 days ago

I have yet to see a compelling case for Abundance as good politics in the **short run** though , and the election cycle is only 2-4 years for politicians (and California e.g. has an initiative and recall system that can make backlash a policy reality as well).

hikoukihikouki9.bsky.social•8 days ago

tbh I think there's kind of a problem where stuff that polls well is conflated all with stuff that's actually popular to run on, stuff that would be good long-term for the electoral success of the party, and stuff that would be actually good.

unavaleable.bsky.social•8 days ago

Yep!

mistermercury.bsky.social•8 days ago

I am biased but I really do think Dems would do very well for themselves if they ran on a green abundance agenda, whether or not they call it a GND doesn’t really matter as long as the material effects are the same

unavaleable.bsky.social•8 days ago

People's faith in our institutions have ebbed considerably to the point that people don't think sticking their hand into their viper's nest won't get them bitten

unavaleable.bsky.social•8 days ago

It's kinda funny how the GOP has settled on a Privation Agenda while Democrats take about an Abundance Agenda

north-arcturus.bsky.social•7 days ago

Stupid question I suppose but is the Abundance Agenda in some ways an attempt to materialize post-scarcity?

tampalib.bsky.social•7 days ago

I think it's an argument that we already have the resources to live with a lot less scarcity than we currently face.

That is, much of the current scarcity is caused by systems/behavior rather than actual hard resource constraints.

north-arcturus.bsky.social•7 days ago

When referring to the US yea I suppose I see that point

tampalib.bsky.social•7 days ago

I guess to more directly address your question: it's not true post scarcity since we have to keep working, we have to be productive, our economy will continue to function on the basis of scarcity. But by the standards of history, the US has incredible abundance and we should be able to live like it.

cargoweasel.com•8 days ago

the problem is that even if it does happen, right wing media and podcasters will tell them its not happening, or that someone else (you know who!) is getting MORE of it, and they'll get even more angry

capitalist.bsky.social•8 days ago

or we could just pass approval voting in a bunch of States, but the donor is clueless about what actually works.

goaskalis.bsky.social•8 days ago

I think people are just tired of seeing these billionaires swank around buying Hawaii but everything the government tries to do for regular people ends up fucked up somehow. Could one fucking thing the government does maybe help me bc it sure helps them

matunos.bsky.social•7 days ago

problem is we're not currently operating under democratic order as we were (arguably) during the FDR's administration

ccreedrn.bsky.social•8 days ago

I just watched this just a couple hours ago. I like the idea of a luxurious communism. Who's gonna sell it?

gmoneyofficial.bsky.social•8 days ago

This Dave Democracy guy seems swell

goofrider.bsky.social•7 days ago

Davemocracy LFG

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