Having now read the LSE study, it appears that the authors came to precisely the same conclusion that I outlined here: - ThreadSky

davidrvetter.bsky.social • 8 days ago

Having now read the LSE study, it appears that the authors came to precisely the same conclusion that I outlined here:

This is not a trivial question. Dishonestly singling out the Muslim community as some uniquely intolerant demographic directly answers that other canard of "why won't Muslims integrate into society?" Well, it just might be because you continually scapegoat them for all of society's ills.

Comments

samwilkin.bsky.social•7 days ago

The problem is that the premise is unsound. The authors don't demonstrate, or even really make the case, that the 'stereotype' is false. If it's true (i.e. homophobia is more common in Muslim communities than national average) then the 'bias' they call out is actually just accurate observation.

samwilkin.bsky.social•7 days ago

Anecdotally, some gay friends tell me they feel a greater threat in majority Muslim areas. There have been some studies that show homophobic attitudes, though not conclusive. We can certainly say that most Muslim-majority countries are institutionally homophobic. This merits further study, at least.

lvclog.bsky.social•7 days ago

Unlike most people who have responded o you, I do think it European gays are justified in thinking that Muslim immigration is a long-term threar to their rights. But it's not like this is a significant motivator for AfD voters, most of which are homophobic.

samwilkin.bsky.social•7 days ago

I understand the fear of singling out a single community that might then be targeted by far-right mobs. We absolutely have to keep protecting Muslims against discrimination, and avoid generalisations. But we also have to be honest about any problems that do exist within minority communities.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

A key reason your article has provoked such strong reactions is that you haven't provided any evidence base for your claim that anti-LGBT attitudes are particularly prevalent among Muslims. And to confidently make such a claim, you would need to present very strong evidence indeed.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

The authors of the single study you cite to support your claim explain that the available literature indicates that anti-LGBT sentiment is *not* stronger among the Muslim community than in, say, evangelical or other white communities.

lambdawon.bsky.social•7 days ago

Sam doesn’t believe anything he wrote. He is justifying voting for Nazis with the argument that LGBTQ people and their allies voted for the party who wants to ban their marriage because Muslims are more homophobic is laughable. I think he is just trying to justify his support for Nazis.

davidrvetter.bsky.social•7 days ago

So to reiterate, to make the claims you're explicitly making, you'd have to present a strong (as in multi-study) evidence base to demonstrate that such attitudes are irrefutably *more* prevalent among Muslims than among all in-groups.

samwilkin.bsky.social•7 days ago

White evangelicals are not the baseline of society, they're a minority group that happens to be white. If they're more homophobic than average, that should be acknowledged and addressed.

Why are you willing to acknowledge potential problems among white religious minorities but not others?

Comments

Posting Rules

Reply