Her name is Mommy, and every time I made a grammatical mistake she would either tickle me while correcting me, hug me while correcting me, or simply smile while correcting in her sing-songy disciplinarian way. I love my mommy. But I hate that she wears cloying scents that give me headaches.
Well said. When people act like asholes in real life it has consequences. They are not liked, even welcomed to places. This sort of thing is at times missing from the online world. Reputation matters and should do so in the digital realm
If I expand this. Social media should not just be a driver towards good behavior but encourage not being online so much
Few ideas. Anon profile will get 3 posts a day. Nonanon as a perk will get 10 but can't post between 23-07 but will own all their data. They can sell it to companies, keep it...
Please pay no mind Kumail to some toxic cesspool that is being failed to be curb without proper leadership statement. I am working on a instance with community to where I can set the rules/guidelines that has a harsh no racism space
Beware, however, of people claiming it's not being done just because singular claims did not go in their favor. They have an agenda, and it is not to improve moderation.
I keep seeing people say “oh you don’t want to debate” — importantly, some things like people’s existence is not “up for debate” — the items I am willing to debate aren’t debated. Someone says a fact is incorrect because it’s their opinion… and more facts don’t make them willing to see the truth.
It hasn’t worked in “web3” yet. Decentralized protocols like Bitcoin kept forking. The projects that rose to the top at any given point (Ethereum, Polygon, Solana) are “decentralized” but still have very centralized foundations at the center.
Even Bluesky currently centralizes this AT Protocol
moderation doesn't really have the same requirements of decentralized finance. I think it's impossible to have moderation everyone agrees with so if it's centralized you end up going either to far or not far enough for the majority of people no matter what you do
Alas, there are different classes of "social media." The kind of Moderation that is feasible with smaller scale services, such as Mastodon or Reddit communities, gets far more challenging with hundreds of millions of users. Ironically, Twitter1 was getting the hang of it—before Elmo destroyed it.
Agreed, but moderation on a decentralized platform requires a lot more effort to develop and can’t just rely on a team of people that grows with the network.
You got in here when all they had developed were the most basic mod tools. It’s still a beta. Give it time, there be growing pains.
Yes, there are exceptions if someone is using an alias because they fear for their safety. But being anon also gives free rein for shitposting, harassing & worse
The online world needs some sort of social credit (not like in China). We have one already in the physical world. It's called reputation
Yeah, they are. But look at any political etc., discussion on Twitter. Most hate and stupidity come from anons. There should be perks for being yourself online. And consequences for breaking the perks.
I think I both agree and disagree with this, respectfully. I do think a lot of people hide behind anonymity, but also— plenty don’t. In fact, many build prolific careers by attaching their names to hate and subversive politics as if it’s a form of marketing or branding.
In this world, people at risk for any number of reasons, people who are experimenting with their identity, people whose identities are not legible to the formal or informal enforcers, are not able to fully participate in online community without risk of social sanction.
Yes, I agree. But it is a fact that the so-called "anon ecosystem" also has bad elements in it. We can't just cherry-pick and uphold forever the dream of internet anonymity, as it started a long ago. The web isn't what it was dreamed to be. Not anymore. Unfortunately
I understand your take. It is also about personal responsibility. If your employer would not like to see those skeets, then maybe not skeet them but joke with your friends face to face. No traces of that.
But it isn't a clear-cut thing. The online world should not be boring as fuck, either.
And people deserve, no - need, different personas in different contexts, each with a reputation. A simple harsh dividing line between public and private creates harsh social repression and conformity, whether 1950s America or 1950s Russia. Enforcing "real name" policies is a terrible idea.
We're continuing to work on a social media project intended to strengthen civic engagement and meaningful civic action. I recognize proactive content moderation to address bad actors, trolls, and bots is vital to a healthy platform in which people can respectfully disagree on policy and economics.
What’s crazy is that this has been the recurring lesson of the internet since the 90’s. A community forms and everything’s fine until the edgelords show up. Then it has to be moderated.
You’d think everyone would be clear on that by now.
I see people are leaving. Before you do, please share a link to a cause, organization or people in need that you believe in. That way we can check it out, educate ourselves & donate if we are able to.
Kumail made great points, and I should have also expressed that. Also, they are fully entitled to their experience and to express that. I wouldn’t take that away and that wasn’t my intention.
Ok 🤷🏼♀️ Fair enough. I was inspired by @inosaramet.xyz posting some of her homeless trans friends in need last night. Personally, I enough learning about new people, causes & organizations to help. If you don’t that’s ok, I respect that. I had a few extra bucks to pass last night.
It's exactly why people leaving because of how people aren't listening. Its like saying "I am hurt" and someone says "Hey, tell us about a charity you would like us to uplift" in response.
That really rubs wrong. I just want to give you heads up how others can take your words.
It wasn’t just charity. I asked for causes, organizations and people in need. And also links about all of the above for self education. But point taken.
I think we'll hit a wall with moderation - volunteers will only go so far (and the racists will volunteer), so it's better to have structural solutions, like being able to see which people a user has invited and stopping them from sending invites if X number of the people they invite are banned.
If I turn up to someone's house and act appallingly, I'd be shown the door and not asked back. I don't see why online behaviour is treated differently. BlueSky will eventually have federated servers that can implement stronger rules though. I'm keen to see how that evolves.
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https://bsky.app/profile/title9jen.bsky.social/post/3jwpv5yxvpu2x
Few ideas. Anon profile will get 3 posts a day. Nonanon as a perk will get 10 but can't post between 23-07 but will own all their data. They can sell it to companies, keep it...
Idk if you have discord but, working with others to build instance
Too many Nazis coming in.
https://discord.gg/SqQHMrk249
Beware, however, of people claiming it's not being done just because singular claims did not go in their favor. They have an agenda, and it is not to improve moderation.
https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/4-13-2023-moderation
Now I can speak on the tribalism I’ve experienced firsthand.
I don’t believe in war, but I believe journalists should be there to document it. 🤷♂️
And in the context of Bluesky, it’s clearly not decentralized.
They simply detached the company from the protocol to try to blur the lines of their liability the same way OpenAI is trying to with “AGI”
Even Bluesky currently centralizes this AT Protocol
Even on a platform like Reddit and Facebook that seem like they mod in a decentralized way, Facebook staff exercises absolute power.
You got in here when all they had developed were the most basic mod tools. It’s still a beta. Give it time, there be growing pains.
I hope that in the future Twitter, Bluesky, etc., move toward a place where anonymity is as "bad" as being a cyber bully.
The online world needs more boundaries and guidance toward good
The online world needs some sort of social credit (not like in China). We have one already in the physical world. It's called reputation
Any mechanism for enforcing names fails in horribly discriminatory ways, and ID creates a database ripe for attack and/or state coercion.
Online spaces that are safe for all of good faith require the option of pseudonymity.
They also create ecosystems of these socks to make it seem like they have a majority.
Don’t get me wrong, there are lots, but anonymity isn’t always the driver.
I don’t think that’s good.
in an era with almost no privacy anonymity allows people to be themselves online. sometimes for bad, but for most people it's for good, i think.
But it isn't a clear-cut thing. The online world should not be boring as fuck, either.
You’d think everyone would be clear on that by now.
Use your voice for something good. 💙☁️
Stop.
It comes off as insensitive and ignorant to blatantly ignore people who are hurting and say "tell us about a good cause!".
That really rubs wrong. I just want to give you heads up how others can take your words.
Yes, anybody can join, even illiterates.