Although Bluesky is very nice, we shouldn't leave X. If we spend the next four years in an echo chamber, we won't be able to connect with the other side or persuade them of anything. We need both platforms
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But is the other side really on X? Because in my experience most people did not felt genuine and mostly rage baiting/trolling.
I am mainly using it to get information on Ukraine. So this might not be the most accurate experience for an average twitter user. But the discovery timeline did not help.
Those who are willing to WORK to fight fascism and disinformation, sure. Blue Sky isn’t an echo chamber, but a safe place with actual moderation of dangerous content.
X under Musk has become a totalitarian disinformation and mind control tool for his fascist project.
No, staying on X means collaborating and supporting and subsidizing Musk with advertising profits and getting personnel information, thus supporting Trump's undemocratic government.It is naivety or irresponsibility!
You don't have to read everything the other side says to engage with them. After all you live in the same physical space, attend the same schools, go to the same jobs.
I agree with your intent, but I don't think staying achieves it. X isn't a different public square; it's (in the aggregate) the voice of unaccountable power, spoken through an algorithmically edited feed. That's structurally incompatible with real community, which is why real communities are leaving
I don't agree, we don't need the X at all. This app must not be an echo chamber, everyone should be free and feel good about migrating. This can be a platform for everyone if done right and looks like it has.
I left Xwitter, but didn't deactivate the account... Not engaging anymore, but keeping the profile to see where things going...
Maybe "This is the way"?...
I doubt that there can be much reasoning or "connecting" to be done with magoids, tankies and vatniks, however "x" is still the dominant platform and there are a lot of regular, non marginalised users there...
I agree with you in theory, but the problem is that, depending on the topic, 30-70% of the discussion is done by actual AI bots or Russian troll farms.
I've spent months of my life sometimes entire days trying to convince the "other side", and all I've did was feed money into their blue check by interacting with them. See the irony?
We don't need X. We need X to die out, and then whoever moves here we can convince. But without elon interference.
I haven't used X actively in genuinely years and have been able to keep up with right-wing claims perfectly fine from a distance.
Truth is you can't convince them that way anyways. You need a better method than "you are wrong and misled." That is the worst possible way to change someone's mind.
No. Flawed logic. X has no moderation and got intentionally infested with Russian bots with Elon's blue check strategy. There's no way to have good faith conversations there.
The only way for consumers to punish oligarchs is up to stop using their products if they can. That reduces their power. In this case, consumers do have an alternative and must use the alternative. Musks power will be weakened with Twitter sundown.
Exactly. If I only want to talk to people who share my point of view, I might as well only talk to myself. And even then... Sometimes I don't agree with myself 🤣
We should make sure to bring everyone over here so it's no longer an echo chamber.
Reason: This is a *much* better platform to have civilised debates and disagreements. It doesn't have an obscure algorithm that boosts mainly trolls and fake accouts.
I will @joniaskola.bsky.social because the problem of not leaving "the neighbour dark web" is to give money and information to the enemies of 🇪🇺 and the rest of the free world who resist them like🇺🇦!!!
Let them talk to themselfes and that "dark web" be another "Truth Social"!!!
Engagement with the other side... Sure
But not on a platform full of bots and a algorithm that prevents liberal posts from getting any reach; it has no use other than keeping that dumpster fire of a social platform going
I don’t agree agri Joni. Many accounts have been completly silenced from engagement in Twatter land. Musk uses this platform for his own gain and all accounts contribute to his wealth and notoriety. Bluesky is not an echo chamber as it is growing fast with both right and left wing views.
I don’t think arguing with bots and grifters on twitter will yield any results politically. Twitter is not representative of the whole country. Youtube would be more useful.
I agree. While I might not disagree with the idea. Time and effort can most likely be spend in places with more genuine people. Sharing in revenue with blue checks massively ruined Twitter. After that the bots and rage baiting took on new levels. It will be hard to actually reach the genuine people
Twitter is dominated by bots from Russia and the algorithm works to fu*k you, putting the far right in a frank advantage and will make you just fell tired.
For your health, better cut all connections with Twitter.
This isn't an echo chamber, I see people discussing things all the time. What this website IS is intolerant of nazis. No one wants nazis here, and the number of people who don't understand the distinction is frankly nauseating.
I agree that here on Bluesky I see too much of only what I want to see, but then again being an "active user" on the platform of a power-hungry billionaire, just to see the craziest takes the "other camp" has to offer is also bad.
A lot of them can’t be influenced, they are not in genuin back and forth relationship. To me (as a psychologist) it seems bullying, manipulating, gaslighting and other unhealthy ways of relating. I understand some want to stay and try. But for majority it’s just plain unhealthy and not recommended.
I don't know if you noticed, but the x algorithm was keeping us all in an echo chamber anyway. You had very little engagement from moderates. Just trolls that incited responses.
The algorithm is only there to keep you doom scrolling, not to create meaningful dialogue.
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I am mainly using it to get information on Ukraine. So this might not be the most accurate experience for an average twitter user. But the discovery timeline did not help.
I'm a centrist but i can't support X when all voices who oppose Musk are suppressed.
I just want X to die.
X under Musk has become a totalitarian disinformation and mind control tool for his fascist project.
Staying is dangerous.
EVERYBODY should leave Twitter for good. It's toxic and useless. And it will become irrelevant if enough people leave.
By your argument, everybody would have to create a Truth Social account too... No way !!!
You don't have to read everything the other side says to engage with them. After all you live in the same physical space, attend the same schools, go to the same jobs.
Persuade them in real life.
Noble cause, but a futile exercise in huffing farts, probably healthier not to hang around the shitbreathers. They're getting old anyway.
Do Elon Musk and his worshipers look like someone you can persuade?
I will leave, hopefully soon.
@bundespraesident.at is first EU head of state who joined
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News stations are considering the jump as well! 😄
https://bsky.app/profile/robert-habeck.de
Maybe "This is the way"?...
Q: Were you successful at persuading any in the past eight years?
We don't need X. We need X to die out, and then whoever moves here we can convince. But without elon interference.
The MAGAcommunist are just slow, but they are coming.
Truth is you can't convince them that way anyways. You need a better method than "you are wrong and misled." That is the worst possible way to change someone's mind.
Twitter is largely bots and vatniks. And people in a fantasy world where tariffs are paid by foreign countries.
Reason: This is a *much* better platform to have civilised debates and disagreements. It doesn't have an obscure algorithm that boosts mainly trolls and fake accouts.
I would like to see X go down the MySpace route.
Your point is valid though: it is the reason I am not using block lists here. I think they are more risky than people believe.
https://bsky.app/profile/remotegig.bsky.social/post/3lb3f6v7d322o
Let them talk to themselfes and that "dark web" be another "Truth Social"!!!
And Musk has gone so mental that I have zero regrets
Also I’d like to see this grow and evolve to become the most popular short messaging platform (for human beings 😉)
But not on a platform full of bots and a algorithm that prevents liberal posts from getting any reach; it has no use other than keeping that dumpster fire of a social platform going
I stay there to mock Russian disinformation but I have to hold my nose.
For your health, better cut all connections with Twitter.
The algorithm is only there to keep you doom scrolling, not to create meaningful dialogue.