Exactly. Make them fight each other over there while we rape the constitution over here. Its a money grab and they want us to turn on each other while they steal
1/ This essay is a first, modest attempt at 'political philosophy'. This domain gets back to the old Greeks (Plato: The Republic). To me Sigmund Freud with his Psychology of the Masses did a significant breakthrough. A reference of the 20th century is Hannah Arendt.
2/ Today we have thinkers such as Myriam Revault d'Allonnes, Timothy Snyder, Mark Galeotti, Vlad Vexler (who, apart from his superb work on YouTube is present here as well btw) and many others.
Now back to your fine remarks. Yes, i would do an abstract, this would enhance reading comfort.
3/ More importantly: what was the goal of the essay, and how can it be useful?
My deepest wish is that politicians would read and understand such a point of view, and devise some efficient strategy to counteract the deep, strong forces that are at play. My fear is that otherwise, we are lost.
a dilemma of info in presentational logistics, how 2 best convey within taxing limitations?
temptation of videos streamlines but removes exactness of honed language. granular text does all the lifting; transcripts convey ums, ahs, pauses, etc.,
I’ll try. Unfortunately I am one of those citizens that reads at a 5th grade level. However I know enough to not want or care to be a fascist, Nazis and Christian nationalists
Because I do think
What fascinating and true writing..I wish more would understand this perspective (politicians more importantly). We need to look more deeply and stop being fooled with all the noise!!
Thank you for your kind words. I would indeed like to attract more readers. Others suggested to write a simplified version for fast consumption; and to try to distribute it in universities and grassroot organizations.
They are taking financial resources away from our citizens. You don’t care because u aren’t affected. Think of the single mothers who lost after school care because the building were turned into shelters… that’s who it hurts. The poor
Then give them their tax money they paid into “our” system. Yes they contribute to our society. Get over yourself and start caring about all humans lives in our neighborhoods. And you might try to keep some of your own income instead of giving it to billionaires that don’t give a fuck about you
I am not at all speaking of illegal immigrants who pay taxes… I am talking about the 13 million people who just came over our border illegally, don’t work and for whom we are fitting the bill. We have spent over 150 BILLION dollars on housing health feeding these illegal immigrants. unacceptable.
Don’t work. Then we better kick the lazy ass citizens if you actually want to save money. But then we would be left with more hard working illegals than citizens. Go pick some vegetables and work off your self inflicted privilege
Companies that break the law and hire illegals just to keep wages depressed must be held accountable.
It creates a cycle of poverty while taking advantage of the most vulnerable among us.
In Mississippi, House bill 1484 is labeled as a bounty hunter bill to turn in undocumented, but it also has language that would legalize forcing detainees to work, as in slavery.
The problems of this country belong right in the fucking pocket of the republicans. They capitalize on the stupidity of their voters, who can't tell the difference between shit and shinola.
Donald loves the uneducated for a reason.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
Here is my issue with illegal immigrants. The killing, the raping, the paedophiles. The case that comes to mind, is the Kate Steinle, she was killed by an illegal, who has come her and sent back 5 times. ICE is really good at deporting productive members of society. They need to get the killers
25% of the agricultual workers in America, are undocumented immigrants.. Good luck, getting Americans to fill all those jobs. Getting rid of the people, who are feeding "you", must be the dumbest thing, I have ever heard.. Guess what happens, to the price of groceries🙄
Everyone needs to read or reread The Grapes of Wrath. We have been here before. When they deport over half of farm workers, we will face severe hardship. Food prices will increase. We will have to import more food. We are repeating a terrible cycle of stupidity.
maga ppl do believe this. They will say that veterans were “kicked out of hotels” and “replaced with “illegals””. And I will show them the fact check saying that didn’t happen, but the heard it on Fox News so it happened. Reality can’t break through.
I agree, CD. Who really cares if there is someone that betters his and his families lives. Why are we so upset about that. Is it that we didn’t give permission to come. The kinds of jobs most of them do I am not competing for anyways. They’re putting us through this for nothing.
By now everyone should recognize what the mass deportation is really about, ethnic cleansing, as is supported by MAGA NAZI. This includes Prez scumbag cancelling DEI related policy that supports opportunities for education and employment and ending birthright citizenship. To name a few.
They are also carrying diseases and spreading like wildfire but also getting free healthcare including all the vaccines.
Whenever there is a measles case that originated somewhere expensive, it is ALWAYS an immigrant. Until it’s an entitled mom who won't vax their kids and then crickets
Of course it’s just a distraction from the fact that he and his paymasters are dismantling the Constitution. Pretty soon the billionaires will be running everything. More crypto cash in their bloated accounts while the number of poor rises.
Yes, but those are facts, and as you well know, facts have fallen out of fashion now.
It's distraction, pure and simple, and distraction is job one in the autocrats playbook.
An authoritarian government looms, soon to be followed by fascism. And not a disguised fascism, either, but the real thing.
I think it's more insidious than just a distraction. It's a tool to build righteous indignation and fear. If people are afraid, they are easier to control.
And many DO have Social Security numbers that they have stolen, and they use those to get job jobs. Those jobs withhold taxes from them, and pay those taxes. But those people will never ever see the benefits of those taxes. They’ll never be able to collect Social Security etc. They pay taxes.
Many of the people that you see ice taking are being taken from their jobs or they’re on their way to work. These people pay Social Security and taxes. A lot of them do what makes you think they don’t have Social Security numbers are paying into the system because I think many of them do.
It’s deflection. Instead of focusing on his criminal activities and deeds, he’s targeting those who are easy prey and of course, letting the people on the ground do his dirty work for him . And punishing those who see through his bullshit.
This is fantastic. Very good messaging and fairly easy to prove in math. Wonder why the reception of this is subject to party lines or megaphone 📣 politics and not logic?
Look into Mississippi house bill 1484. The undocumented people will have 24 hours to be processed and deported or be imprisoned for life. For felony trespassing.
The prison system in the US allows the use of slave labor in the majority of states. Botta-bim-botta-boom they have real actual slaves. Even better than overseas labor in manufacturing.
AND they can use this against any citizen that ends up in prison.
In opposite, deporting low wage workers your costs of goods will go up. Look at many Arabic countries. 1 million citizens and 4 million foreign workers is ratio. They would be totally screwed without them.
The reality is this, it’s illegal to hire illegals. All they have to do is put a few of the rich people that hire illegals in prison and then that will stop. Immigrants are better off becoming Americans so they can get the benefits and contribute legally. I agree with your sentiment though.
Look at how many get citizenship and from what countries each year. Immigrants don’t have to be citizens to be legal. Stop thinking of noncitizens as illegals. And make sure you know what and who decides a human is illegal and doesn’t have human rights afforded to them
I’m not thinking of non-citizens as illegal, I’m just saying if I was going to go to let say Canada to get away from here, I would want to become a citizen. I’m pointing out that rich people hire illegals and they are never punished for it
If you decide to. I hope Canada grants a larger number of citizenships than the USA. You may die of old age before you move. Unless you can afford to buy your way in
I’m not even trying because I don’t see it as something that could happen because they don’t want our dumbasses up there. I’m just using that as a point.
Wouldn’t have been an issue if the Biden administration had organized the process to issue them documents, criminal checks and then divide them up among the states. Kind of like Ellis island
A maga told me our govt is handing out cash cards & *houses to illegals & that’s why they ‘need to go’. omg! And he believes it!! If that were true, why would they work so hard for so little here??
Yes, but when you are too stupid and wear a MAGA hat, you can never figure out the truth, even when it smacks you in the face, and in your bank account. This country deserves everything it gets in the next 4 years.
Wow, you articulated that very well, thank you for posting it! Our leader turned this issue that has been stewing for decades, purposely into a mountainous issue through stoking fear, and there is no end in sight, Dems totally misread the gravity of the issue he created created…. Big time miss!
Immigrants are taken advantage of to work in unsafe working conditions with long hours, low pay, and no benefits.
If the employers treated their workers fairly, Americans would do these jobs.
Eh, no, they probably wouldn't. Never mind that most Americans think they're too good for those jobs. There's no shortage of stories of efforts to get Americans to do field work only to find that they walked off the job without completing the first day.
I struggle to get teenagers to help muck my goat shed and help move the electrical fence for rotation. I offer $20/hr; more than minimum wage. I can only get one group to do that work.
Problem: parents give them everything they need, they have no incentive for hard work.
Almost NOBODY offers what USED TO BE standard Job Benefits - retirement, sick leave, vacation with pay, opportunities for promotion - those are ALL GONE NOW, greed is the mantra.
Many of these jobs, and others will become even more unsafe as deregulation is increased. So we will more dangerous work conditions potentially being filled (if at all) by ‘Americans’ getting exactly what they wanted.
Poor, and therefore powerless, people are not running the show. On the contrary. The rich get richer by exploiting poor people--although, they tell you differently.
Always look UP to see who is crushing you. And then believe your own eyes.
Such an usual tactic of fascism blame others for the problems they created and sell it to the uneducated media manipulated stupid people who can’t discern facts vs opinions.
It's been the game for a long time. Statistically, people without proper documentation are better the the economy, jobs, and neighborhood welfare than US citizens. How about we deport based in usefulness to society? Trumps would be first ones out
When MILLIONS have come ILLEGALLY over the last few years it becomes a problem. We simply don't have the infrastructure and who knows how many persons of interest with known or suspected ties to terrorist groups have come over also.
Bull shit. Our government just won’t fund the process to Handel the volume and to insure due process is protected. They don’t want to protect due process or human rights. It’s plain greed
I do care that they are undocumented and have to live in the shadows, work for low wages, are subject to abuse by employers like Trump, get abused by the likes of republicans.
Japan solved this with suits that have fans inside. This is greed pure and simple. And we're approaching what happened before OSHA. Get into the death trap of a factory and risk your life working, or go homeless because safety costs money.
Only paying for a funeral? I am sincerely hoping that an attorney seeks a monetary award from Barnes Farming for this man's family. Even if his family is undocumented and deported, the funds could help the family to relocate and ease its financial insufficiency.
It is simply shameful that immigrants are treated so terribly in the US. Documented or not, they are humans and deserve to be treated as such. I am certain that Sen. Barnes was aware of mistreatment that this gentleman and his co-workers received while trying to to make an honest living.
The day laborers in front of the hardware store? Someone is in charge and they get a cut of the wages. They decide who gets to work that day and how much they will be paid.
Agree. Many layers to this issue. One on my mind is the public education funding, eroded to keep the poor poor. My father & his peers were educated w public money under the GI Bill. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants would give it all to study at the University of Nebraska, learn trades, science.
Love this. Not only can they not get benefits they preform labor, very few Citizens want to perform, for meager wages.😢 Watch for not just eggs (media didn’t make bird flu to be an issue w/ Biden) to rise but ALL food prices. The idolaters are so going to be dazed in days!
BUT we all will suffer.
Exactly. People have forgotten how under Bush's immigration crackdown, blueberries were rotting in the field because the farms couldn't find US citizens willing to pick them no matter how much they paid. Not that I can blame them. I've picked fruit as a job, it sucks.
When someone has the courage to burn Fox Propaganda to the ground with EVERY "host" (animal that acts as a biological refuge in which a parasitic organism dwells) locked inside.
I have to give you a big shout out for your attitude about this. I agree with you. This is a big society we live in. Fix the immigration issues according to law and make reforms. Stop all the fear and hate mongering. Hate leads to more hate. Misunderstood fear leads to chaos.
This: "An analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy found that undocumented residents paid $25.7 billion into Social Security & $6 billion into Medicare in 2022 and are entitled to use neither. Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion, or roughly $9,000 per person in taxes in 2022.
And once they are deported Rump & his cronies will say Social Security has gone broke or that deporting all of those immigrants cost a lot of money so SS, Medicare & Medicaid are all broke bc we had to steal that money to ship them all out🤬
This is why Hitler needed to constantly have a villain, and turned his machine against his own people. It by definition can't ever succeed done this way. Eventually you are slimmed too far down. To me, this appears to be foreign agents trying to destroy us so they can dominate the world.
I mean the evidence is there. Musk cozying up to Putin, visiting Russia, threatening to cut off StarLink from Ukraine and restricting access to only certain parts of the region. Musk making deals with China to absorb tax funds for EVs, calling the country "superior" to the US, never criticizing it.
Most people aren't against immigration. It's ILLEGAL Immigration that's a problem. You can't allow open borders - it allows dangerous, unvetted people who intend to harm others to walk right in.
Yeah, just look at Mar A Lardo. Btw, that “open borders” bit is a complete horseshit lie to distract people from what trumps really doing. Hell, his 3d wife came here under false pretense and he invited her parents here to boot. Guess she was an anchor baby too. 🤷🏼♂️
That’s fine as long as you don’t deny them their rights to due process and be adjudicated by a Jude and not just thrown down the disposal. Find the system so it can function and serve the people. And make sure there is a reasonable way to attain citizenship. No unrealistic quotas on citizenship
Immigrants pay taxes. They also keep are country running doing essential jobs that Americans won’t do. When our crops are rotting and homes can’t be built when restaurants & hotels can’t function properly we will see just how important. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/topics/tax-contributions
In Obama administration a memory went around . If they want to keep social security solvent then undocumented workers are a big help. Obama though deported lots. 20 dollar oranges are on rhe way.
Easiest fix in the world enforce the laws on books fir hiring said workers. They dont do that. They use 3rd party temp agencies to have plausible deniab. Fibe 100k for every undocumented workers. Immigration law will be changed overnight. But it's cheaper to lobby and pay no fines.
Also......illegals paid 27 billion INTO ss in 2022 even though they can't draw that money later. This whole country has been built on immigration. Unless your ancestors are of Native American heritage....then you are an immigrant. The VIOLENT crime in our country?....99% by American citizens.
It was not a problem that became an issue. It was an issue that became a problem. I can't believe how many of my Michigan neighbors thought securing the border was the number one issue. Just plain stupid to fall for that hype.😦
So we’ll deport all the people who want to work and do jobs Americans won’t do, and welcome in immigrants from countries like India who are prepared to do the jobs Americans want but can’t do. Nice.
I am a director for a homeless rescue mission. Half our residents are undocumented immigrant agricultural workers. The work hard. The respect others. They support each other. The do extra. They work here to support their families back home.
Our residents who are disrespectful, aggressive, violent . . . Who sell drugs and steal from others . . . Or who sit around waiting for life to happen for them . . . Are largely young, white men.
I think it would be good to ask why that is? But my point is the immigrants are not the problem.
Musk could end poverty and homelessness with a blink of an eye, and still be very rich, let’s not talk about what a group could do. Must of them won’t because they are racist. Naturally there are exceptions
Agreed.Live in border city,employer,#1 frt co,work w/several immigrants,not, believe it,criminals&after my job. Ironic that racists,yes, believe lies,all criminals.We have our own huge,vast Am born criminals,exact same thing,crimes.Americans commit more crimes than the vast few immigrants who do
Exactly! None of these people have even interacted with the immigrant community, much less been affected by them in any negative way. They just don’t like seeing brown people or hearing someone speak a different language. Because they are simple minded racists.
Plus, who do you think picks the crops, cleans houses, works in low-end restaurants, does all the menial jobs? Plus adding to the economy without drawing federal benefits. Immigrants are not the freeloaders in this country!
To simplify this so even they can understand. Poor people don't create laws or pay people's wages. The simpletons need simplistic. Stop confusing them😄.
The remarkable fact is not that age-old methods are copied verbatim & applied by current autocrats. The remarkable fact is that so many still applaud this performative, per definitionem manipulative, politics - despite all history, heck, even despite all the pop culture movies about evil rulers.
Yeah, it is caused by the wealthy. When 20 some states minimum wage is $7.50. It has not kept in pace with inflation of course people are going to be poor.
I recommend that we all learn Spanish that is spoken south of the border. If we are going to hide the Frank family in our attics, it will be important to be able to speak to them. I took Northern Spain version
That’s my plan! I used to tutor at Literacy, now planning for ESL. I have some Spanish of the Northern Spain variety, so that should help with learning south of the border Spanish with students who are learning English.
The 1%has convinced the voters the reason why they are poor is because of the immigrant. The last 40 years there has being a redistribution of the wealth to the top 1%.
The majority of illegal immigrants overstayed their visas. This means that they never crossed the border. Also, many of them are not "brown", there are many Europeans amongst them. Are they amongst the ones getting deported or is it harder because they look a certain "color"?
Trump & Republicans don't want to fix the immigration problem. They want the situation just the way it is. A cheap, source, of exploitable, deportable labor and an issue to bash & blame Democrats with to win elections. They are hypocrites.
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essay would benefit from an abstract
big thoughts, the architecture 2 present them most effectively is a nuanced calculus, how best to convey
economy of words integral
also, how best can essay be deployed among friendly & opposing eyes alike
what is this essay meant 2 do?
Now back to your fine remarks. Yes, i would do an abstract, this would enhance reading comfort.
My deepest wish is that politicians would read and understand such a point of view, and devise some efficient strategy to counteract the deep, strong forces that are at play. My fear is that otherwise, we are lost.
This would require exceptional talent in pedagogy.
i suggest encapsulating this goal into the thesis, leading 2 greater pedagogal throughput
politicians need an expanded syllabus, less width but more depth, with a rudder
temptation of videos streamlines but removes exactness of honed language. granular text does all the lifting; transcripts convey ums, ahs, pauses, etc.,
all dilute the message
so if it matters, how best?
a big chunk of this essay's potential existence & impact going forward will have 2 do with distribution & dissemination
i suggest there will have to be considerable planning & rollout comings & goings for this 2 take off & soar
syndication, simulcasting, etc
Because I do think
It creates a cycle of poverty while taking advantage of the most vulnerable among us.
We are going down a frightening road.
Donald loves the uneducated for a reason.
-- Joseph Goebbels
This is not complicated. It's about racism, supremacy and power.
Fight Resist
Right, because at the welfare office they say "We're undocumented illegals." and get handed a check
Or at walmart they say "Oh we came here illegally" and the cashier just nods and waives tax.
Whenever there is a measles case that originated somewhere expensive, it is ALWAYS an immigrant. Until it’s an entitled mom who won't vax their kids and then crickets
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It's distraction, pure and simple, and distraction is job one in the autocrats playbook.
An authoritarian government looms, soon to be followed by fascism. And not a disguised fascism, either, but the real thing.
It ain’t the poor undocumented making you work until dead. It’s the ultra-rich seeking even more wealth by cutting your throat.
They don’t care if you die. As long as they get theirs.
If you can't eat 'em, join 'em. MAGnuts will thank you.
The 2017 Iraqis BOWLING GREEN MASSACRE
AND they can use this against any citizen that ends up in prison.
Instead they dumped it onto to the border states
Federal minimum wage $7.25
Most states minimum wage
~$17
Musk earnings per hour
$1,642,694.00
And they say that labor is the source of inflation?!?!
If the employers treated their workers fairly, Americans would do these jobs.
Fix that, and people will be fine working them.
Problem: parents give them everything they need, they have no incentive for hard work.
Americans want a full time position with benefits, it sounds like you aren't offering that.
Always look UP to see who is crushing you. And then believe your own eyes.
https://www.wral.com/story/nc-sweet-potato-farm-faces-187-000-fine-after-death-of-worker/21039002/
BUT we all will suffer.
Same thing is happening in Florida since DeSatan's immigration crackdown.
Judges to determine status ? Ask pres felon when he kabashed the last border bill. Just sayin.
greater success. That's the story of America.
I think it would be good to ask why that is? But my point is the immigrants are not the problem.
LBJ basically said the same thing 60 years ago.