I don't think that statement is wrong esoterically speaking, but when you read it out loud, it sounds a bit farcical.
I think that analyzing Jewish voting and political organizational tendencies kind of... Necessitates asking questions about the role Zionism/Antizionism play.
I feel like understanding Zionism, as a political movement and organization, kinda necessitates interrogating its relationship with Jewish communities, inside or outside of the Levant.
It involves interrogating its role in western Christian communities as well, don't get me wrong.
Anecdotally, I don’t think most Jews who’d probably say “yeah” if asked whether they’re Zionist don’t think about Israel as much as Antizionists. “A Jewish state in our homeland should exist” is about as deep as they probably get. It’s likely a smaller & louder portion who have a deeper opinion.
that's still zionism. passively believing in zionist thought and acting accordingly is still materially and meaningfully zionism, whether one identifies with it or not, whether one meaningfully self-interrogates it or not.
Based on conversations with friends who range from anti-Zionist to Zionist, there is overlap in preferences and outcomes. I think (hope?) most people are appalled by Israel’s bombardment of Gaza and hate Bibi. Altho now rendered unlikely, a 2 state solution of some type is also a common overlap.
Based on years of surveys from the Jewish Electorate Institute, Jewish Americans consistently prioritize domestic issues over Israel. You could assume that AZ Jews are further to the left than the normative Jew, but a survey would need to be done to confirm that. >>>
i like how i just said "we should interrogate the role zionism plays in jewish politics" and you were like "okay but what if we didn't because clearly everyone votes because of their own material circumstances"
like no shit sherlock, that's not what i'm talking about here.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t. It’d be interesting to see how the data correlates with voting patterns, especially in Dem primaries given the overall political position of the majority of Jewish voters. I think our point of disagreement is how much influence it has.
The other problem with the binary is that non-/post-zionists exist. The theoretical survey would help in determining if that group is statistically significant or not.
so are we getting to this survey before or after taking meaningful action against the genocide of palestine? just want to get my story straight for when we're being called to testify at nuremburg.
I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. Granted, this assumes Jewish voices even matter writ large when it comes to the US’s policy. I personally don’t think they do given the prominence of non-Palestinian gentile voices in the I/P policy space.
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I think that analyzing Jewish voting and political organizational tendencies kind of... Necessitates asking questions about the role Zionism/Antizionism play.
It involves interrogating its role in western Christian communities as well, don't get me wrong.
that's still zionism. passively believing in zionist thought and acting accordingly is still materially and meaningfully zionism, whether one identifies with it or not, whether one meaningfully self-interrogates it or not.
like no shit sherlock, that's not what i'm talking about here.