Kingdom Hearts as a series and Sonic games from Adventure through Unleashed really are the ultimate timeless litmus tests to see if someone engages with something through irony or not.
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You can totally not fuck with one or the other, I sure as hell don't fw most Sonic games from that time, but it's so annoying every time to see someone be like "the writing in that can't be good I mean they both look stupid" and more often than not brushes aside anything they're trying to say
there are many ppl who just kind of decide frame one that they don't want to engage with something, then go "well that was bad". i cant help but feel like you're being deeply unfair when you don't show you're willing to genuinely face a piece of work proper
Generally speaking if someone calls one or both of them "stupid" it is a sign that they are not a fun person to be around. They can choose not to like them all they want but they don't have to openly insult them.
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People act like they are forgotten relics these days.