That's why this speech is strange. For me: either the #European politician is lying or the American on the phone call was lying. Or BOTH It's just my apriori It is strange though, that it echoes the desiderata of #trump and #putin Who is this european politician? A guy from #RIGHT / #FARRIGHT ? - ThreadSky

stphrolland.bsky.social • 4 days ago

That's why this speech is strange.

For me: either the #European politician is lying or the American on the phone call was lying. Or BOTH

It's just my apriori

It is strange though, that it echoes the desiderata of #trump and #putin

Who is this european politician? A guy from #RIGHT / #FARRIGHT ?

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przemyslslaw.bsky.social•4 days ago

Jeffrey Sachs isn't an European politician. He is a professor from Columbia University who advised Polish government in 1990, Russian government in 1991 and later, and is a director in the UN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RNE3X41IvM&t=693s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs

stphrolland.bsky.social•4 days ago

I will have to do my homework with your references

I think you should mention YOUR position and HIS position on the
#Budapest Memorandum

Because I'm pretty sure you have NOT mentioned it yet, and I am REALLY puzzled by this #FACT ... do you understand my position?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

przemyslslaw.bsky.social•4 days ago

The core of the issue is that we perceive NATO as a neutral defensive alliance, but in reality it was created to counter USSR (later Russia). We may want to replace it with an independent EU army, so that the EU takes care of its security and interests.

przemyslslaw.bsky.social•4 days ago

Sounds good. What I've heard so far from a source I trust, but I didn't verify: 1) nuclear weapons were in Ukraine physically, but Ukraine didn't own them and wasn't able to fully operate them without some Russian assistance. 2) the US told USSR that NATO won't expand to the east, but they did.

stphrolland.bsky.social•4 days ago

Vladimir #Putin also said that #Talibans were the #Allies for #AntiTerrorism war

Vladimir Putin also said that #Chechnya was #Islamist:

So when Vladimir Putin says US told that NATO would not expand: I think he PURPOSEFULLY omit the fact that it's a CANDIDACY

Not expansion/INVASION like #RUSSIA

przemyslslaw.bsky.social•4 days ago

Of course, Putin says a lot of wrong things, but he is not the one who started these claims:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy_regarding_the_legitimacy_of_eastward_NATO_expansion

stphrolland.bsky.social•4 days ago

I will have to look at that more closely

But I tell you again: Watch out! you are repeating clear #Kremlin NARRATIVE points

stphrolland.bsky.social•4 days ago

Why do you use the word EXPANSION?

It is a candidacy!
So surprising you do not use the RIGHT word?
That is exactly the talking point asked to #Russian #Ambassadors when they go on TV. Look at them!

they are asked to say it's a #NATO #expansion
they never say those joining Nato "ARE ASKING FOR IT"

stphrolland.bsky.social•4 days ago

I think #chechnya was not #islamist when #russia invaded and bombed its cities

So I think Russia narratives are not the best narratives to study
Even if proven useful

An agressor "always" play the victim when indeed he just want to cheat & deceive - that's fair play in actual war "games/strategy"

stphrolland.bsky.social•4 days ago

And the more I think of it, the more I think that #chechnya was not #islamist when #Eltsin and #Putin decided to destroy them, like #Putin does with #Ukraine

I don't know why, maybe the mustaches, maybe the fact he let #Estonia be #INDEPENDENT

Dzhokhar #Dudayev : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev

stphrolland.bsky.social•4 days ago

OK, so I will take a close look at it as you insist

But my first apriori is that his point of view is problematic in that it goes in the direction of someone which cannot be believed on any points - the contrary of a person interested in democracy & parliaments

("Parliament" etymology : to speak)

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