the most fascinating but predictable response to this piece is racists that want to believe japanese people will agree with their bullshit politics are now trying to decide which japanese voices are and aren't legitimate. seeing them say 4gamer is illegitimate and in the pocket of the west is nuts. - ThreadSky

kazuma.bsky.social • 36 days ago

the most fascinating but predictable response to this piece is racists that want to believe japanese people will agree with their bullshit politics are now trying to decide which japanese voices are and aren't legitimate. seeing them say 4gamer is illegitimate and in the pocket of the west is nuts.

Reposted from Polygon

Assassin’s Creed Shadows’ Japanese reviews reframe the historical accuracy debate

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criticalquit.bsky.social•36 days ago

I think the really bizarre thing about the way racists act about Japan and Japanese people is the way they both lionize them but also treat them as though they are not people. It's a bizarre doublethink that let's them treat Japanese people as not having independent thought

criticalquit.bsky.social•36 days ago

Just an agreement with their values and nothing else

theryusui.bsky.social•36 days ago

you see it across ALL interactions between chuds and Japanese culture

Japan doesn't exist to them except as a hypothetical, a fantasy fairyland that confirms all their stupid weaksauce mediocre white incel bullshit

they're not interested in any version of it that isn't their Promised Land

criticalquit.bsky.social•36 days ago

Yeah, they kind of treat it like it's a fictional version of everything they want but also real and therefore lending them legitimacy, and thus anything about it that doesn't conform to the fantasy is an evil western influence

thetrin.bsky.social•36 days ago

I always found the whole "conservatives believe Japanese people are kindred spirits" thing to be laughable. The whole time I lived in Japan, I would just look around and go "these people? You think these people would agree with your insanity?"

thetrin.bsky.social•36 days ago

And they'll continue to move goalposts to fit their dumb narrative. The same ppl blamed localizers for the inclusion of "white supremacist terrorists" in Trails Through Daybreak. They, of course, never bothered to check if the JP script said the same thing. It does.

theswweet.bsky.social•36 days ago

Lemme tell you, it was so satisfying hearing Kondo outright say "yeah this is explicitly a political statement about the state of our world too, we wanted to hold up a mirror to our society"

Like it was obvious beforehand, but still!

thetrin.bsky.social•36 days ago

Yeah, it's very obvious, and kudos to Kondo for outright saying it. There's a lot in Daybreak, from gender issues, to white supremacist terror, to the realities of poverty and turning to crime that I rarely ever see an RPG tackle. It was refreshing.

katarjin.bsky.social•35 days ago

Oh? Need to get on that series, been hearing a lot of good things about it.

thetrin.bsky.social•34 days ago

It's a great series! It takes serious commitment to get into it, but it's really good.

shedvolans.bsky.social•36 days ago

It's funny because said people insisted the JP script didn't use that terminology not because they read and understood it, but because of the fan TL they played. The one that, outside of being a sloppy and incomplete mess, ALSO whitewashes (or un-whitewhitewashes in this instance) the term!

thetrin.bsky.social•36 days ago

Sure. And they won't bother to look further, because all they're looking for is the justification for their lack of empathy.

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

it's so annoying honestly. they want to believe so desperately that japan is a bastion of conservatism but won't even take the time to learn the language, to interact with normal japanese people. it's so ????

geminidrgn.bsky.social•35 days ago

It kind of is but it's the stuffy boring kind of bureaucratic conservatism and not the fever swamp stuff that has consumed right wing politics in western nations.

thetrin.bsky.social•35 days ago

And there are plenty of progressive people amongst the population, even if the govt hasn't caught up.

thetrin.bsky.social•36 days ago

They probably think all Japanese people are stoic conservatives that believe only in duty, rather than people of all walks of life. Just like they think all Indians are IT professionals with thick accents.

vincentbecherer.bsky.social•35 days ago

More depressingly (and horrid) they might view "Japanese people" and "Japanese (pop)culture" as a amrophous blob. One they can freely pick and choose what is "good" and what is... I dunno, "fake" now I guess?

And, you know, aside from the stunning racism/cultural appropriation combo, it's just sad

thetrin.bsky.social•35 days ago

Oh absolutely. it's just a useful cudgel to use when it suits them. They don't actually care about Japanese culture or people beyond the anime and games they produce. And even then, they just blame Western pubs and loc when they think something is woke (when it was the JP dev the whole time)

pattiblacxk.bsky.social•35 days ago

Oh no I tried to see if there were Famitsu scores so I could make a joke about them pretending 39 is a bad score and just got some dumb controversy about an interview having a retraction

elessar42.bsky.social•35 days ago

There's a certain kind of bigot for whom Japan is not a real country with its own history, politics or even culture (outside the handful of anime and games they like) but instead exists primarily as a rhetorical device for them to baselessly say "Well THEY agree with all my opinions."

starfallhaven.bsky.social•36 days ago

White gamer bros love nothing more than putting words in the mouths of the culture they're busy fetishizing.

saedraverse.bsky.social•35 days ago

Do love their gymnastics, yes I became anti this when I heard Japanese folks were pissed (never had an issue myself, thought be a cool idea). Guess what, turns out they love it, & it's actually doing well. & I'm happy I was wrong

Does make me wonder how many influences will admit they were wrong

notmiki.bsky.social•36 days ago

brb copy/pasting this article into deepl so I can see how the Japanese press is pandering to a western audience

vexwerewolf.bsky.social•36 days ago

Please, you don't understand, I need strict historical accuracy in my video game series where Rodrigo Borgia fistfights a Florentine Hashshashiyin in the secret alien basement under the Vatican

theradiostar.bsky.social•36 days ago

don’t forget that also you are the distant descendent of said Borgia and are reliving his “genetic memories” via a futuristic brain machine, all things which are real

mandoqueer.itch.io•35 days ago

(You're actually a distant descendant of the Hashshashiyin)

yourpalgig.bsky.social•36 days ago

Its amazing how these people dont even operate on a surface level understanding of japan, its an understanding thats looking out of a plane where you cant make anything out on the surface. I bet if you gave me 5 minutes I could trick some of them into thinking the NHK is in the pocket of localizers

writualmagic.bsky.social•36 days ago

it's almost as if............

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

perhaps....

antonvuk.bsky.social•35 days ago

I mean, they've done the same with Uchikoshi. One dude saying how much he loves gay people in a game is enough to shatter the Japanese Hivemind perception and despite the fact that most games still don't touch queer themes, was unacceptable enough to start a conspiracy that he wasn't Japanese.

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

ah yes, legacy publication dengeki is clearly being bought out by the west to give assassin's creed shadows a positive review. like come the fuck on lmao

queerthing.bsky.social•36 days ago

"Dengeki went woke to appeal to the west" is such a funny concept

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

reading some of those comments makes me feel like these people are living in an alternate dimension. but it makes for good laughs.

solfleet.bsky.social•36 days ago

At this point they just make shit up 5p prove their points. Wildly unrealistic and unsubstantiated crap, because they can’t stand being wrong

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

i'd say they should preserve their sense of dignity and admit that they were wrong. but that would imply that they have any dignity to begin with.

queerthing.bsky.social•36 days ago

I have a way they can preserve their dignity AND honor the Japanese cultural history they claim to love so much, they can even write a little poem while doing it...

neohumanoid.bsky.social•36 days ago

If Japan does something that vaguely aligns with a white supremacist talking point they're probably not even aware of or care about: Japan doesn't want your woke politics!

If Japan does something that vaguely aligns with anything else or just acts as standard: JAPAN IS SELLING OUT TO THE WOKE WEST!

usapyons.bsky.social•36 days ago

the way I'm exhausted lmao

rainbowsockscat.bsky.social•36 days ago

They're the same people that will try to act like there's no such thing as trans and non binary people in Japan

Because they actually only know their base assumptions about Japan

kyh9.bsky.social•36 days ago

Racists, like fascists, actually have a really simplistic and base philosophy. Their desire is to not see anyone who looks too different from some preference. It’s very base and animalistic and every explanation or justification or nuance is only applied in post, to get consent from others

ruemcclammyhand.bsky.social•36 days ago

literally my favorite dynamic is watching white gamers be racist and assume japanese people agree(??) then get butthurt when japanese people are like 'oh, i don't agree with that at all it's a fun game'

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

the comment section has been a TRIP and it's devolved to outright being delusional that it makes me laugh.

ruemcclammyhand.bsky.social•36 days ago

gonna go check it out, as a treat

datashade.bsky.social•36 days ago

These losers react to sales pitches from Japanese CEOs lauding American consumers with the same credulity as a previous generation of loser (who at least left the house sometimes) would have reacted to a stripper who spoke as if she liked him

datashade.bsky.social•36 days ago

They think, because they'll eat the same slop out of the same trough day after day for decades, that it must follow that the nation selling them slop and troughs will die to defend it.

justicar.xyz•36 days ago

The entire Call of Duty franchise borrows liberally from history and current events and makes up stories out of whole cloth, and no one says shit about historical accuracy. No one cared about historical accuracy in Battlefield until they featured a Harlem Hellfighter on the cover. WEIRD.

cutemoongod.bsky.social•35 days ago

"Realism" and historical accuracy are complete smokescreens until they can be abused to imply that a game sucks for inclusion reasons

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

STRANGE... how that is...

justicar.xyz•36 days ago

CRYPTIC.

d9sinc.bsky.social•35 days ago

I mean, AC has always been historically accurate with its space magic, time travel, and deep, dark Da Vinci-style secrets, where every moment in time has a magical artifact at the center. It's common knowledge that Abe Lincoln was a Templar and JW Booth was an assassin.

ryedog.bsky.social•35 days ago

Don't forget that the assassins killed hitler and the templars killed Kennedy. And movie theaters canonically stopped existing in 2012

d9sinc.bsky.social•35 days ago

This is AC lore I didn't know and I kind of love lol.

ryedog.bsky.social•35 days ago

All the weird present day lore is in 1 and 2 they kind of tone it down after that x3

unangbangkay.bsky.social•36 days ago

Disaffected white asshole who has never heard or read 4gamer before this week: 4gamer has fallen...😞

kazuma.bsky.social•36 days ago

i can't belive dengeki would do this to me specifically. a man who has no idea what dengeki is.

gamerdeesquerda.bsky.social•35 days ago

A game made by a japanese studio, probably in the pocket of the west:

audes-wisent.bsky.social•35 days ago

I mean naturally they will discredit Japanese voices that don't share their views. The whole debate about how a black samurai is insulting Japanese culture (as if Yasuke didn't appear in Japanese media before or inspired Afro Samurai) pretty much stemmed from some moldy white bread.

thedaddyotaku.bsky.social•36 days ago

Racist incels lose again.

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