Please just make all LAs let people put a channel through their pavement for charging. Public chargers will always be more expensive. - ThreadSky

adambell.bsky.social • 26 days ago

Please just make all LAs let people put a channel through their pavement for charging. Public chargers will always be more expensive.

Reposted from Colin Walker

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petereastern.bsky.social•25 days ago

Will then then be allowed to bollard off the parking necessary spot outside their house to ensure it will be available when they return for work, or will be just shout at their neighbour when the space is taken? Not simple.

vinkennedy.bsky.social•25 days ago

If I had had a gully installed and couldn't park outside my house for a week then I'd be in the exact position I was in before, namely having to use a public charger. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented

jamesomalley.co.uk•26 days ago

Has any country already done this? Presumably we'd have heard about an epidemic of people tripping over if there were any problems with doing this?

colin-walker.bsky.social•26 days ago

gullies remove the trip hazard

Not heard of any country doing this 'en masse'

patrick.seurre.com•25 days ago

Unless they own the right to the parking space it won't matter if there's a charging point or not if somebody else parks there?

abigaildombey.bsky.social•25 days ago

I live in a terraced street - and don’t have off-street parking.
I’d love a charging gulley - I can reliably park outside my house one a week- that’s all I’d need to be able to charge my EV.

patrick.seurre.com•25 days ago

It would be enough for you maybe but perhaps not enough for others?

Plenty of people are also living in much more cramped circumstances and can’t make the same assumptions regarding parking.

This will only work if it works for most people. I have a hard time believing that this will be the case.

abigaildombey.bsky.social•25 days ago

The average UK car drives 7,400 miles/yr, or 142 miles/week.

Most EVs easily do 3.5 miles/kWh.

So 142 miles = 40.6kWh
That takes less than 8 hours at 7kW.

Charging once a week should be ample for average drivers with EVs with ranges over 160 miles.

abigaildombey.bsky.social•25 days ago

Ooops, I was really tired last night when I posted this.

142 miles = 40.6kWh

Takes less than SIX (6) hours to charge with a 7kW charger

patrick.seurre.com•25 days ago

Am thinking specifically of some places like Esher and Staines. Seeing traffic cones outside peoples houses as they desperately try and keep their space seemed to be a particularly depressing and regular sight when I worked there.

tomh-analyst.bsky.social•26 days ago

Public chargers will run into a 'desire path' outcome as well.

i.e. you can put a lamppost charger outside that offers 3.3kW and charge someone 70p/kWh or the person just runs a cable out their letterbox past it to get a 50%+ discount.

You can't fight desire paths, so build them.

colin-walker.bsky.social•26 days ago

Exactly this. Its infuriating. Am I being naive in thinking it wouldnt' take much from government (and cost next to nothing) to tweek regulations to allow all people, irrespective of which LA they're in, to just arrange for one of these channels to be installed?

adambell.bsky.social•26 days ago

So from my engagement with my LA on this there are unanswered questions about liability and maintenance, as well as electrical safety regs, that need to be solved. DFT has ostensibly devolved these questions to underfunded LAs, which means delay in delivery.

colin-walker.bsky.social•26 days ago

sounds similar to my engagement with mine (Westmorland & Furness)

They've been on the brink of setting up a trial to test various solutions for 8 months now...

adambell.bsky.social•26 days ago

I don't think a trial is necessary because, and I must emphasise this, a trench is literally just a hole in the pavement. I do think the regulatory questions need to be answered, but I'm also pretty confident it would take a DFT team about a week.

colin-walker.bsky.social•26 days ago

The cost/benefit ratio would be immense!

Growth of a domestic industry, massively reduced driving costs in the midst of a cost of living crisis, increased demand for goods produced by the car industry, positive effect on goodwill from the electorate etc etc

vinkennedy.bsky.social•25 days ago

I spent several months tying to stir Southampton Council into allowing me a gully. It's hard to express how astounded they seemed to find it that anyone would want to do so. Eventually gave up. At great expense we're having part of our front garden repurposed so I can park and charge there.

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