Frost has that absolutely correct. They have no f****** power or authority. And the second they go starting to f****** try to think that they can do that they're going to get sued wind up in court and the s***'s going to get thrown out and they're going to face fines and penalties and ECT....
Not even remotely close to Trump's felonies this is actual real s*** and also remember something. The only one that's been untouchable is Trump everybody else is burnt to the flame.
Yes!
I heard a story on it that glossed over those pertinant facts. Once in a while, thhy touched on how it was Congress' job it would be doing but never saying if it was Constitutional or not, never mentioning the two rich guys have no business being involved.
Frustrating.
You can trust anything that Maxwell Frost says. I know because he is my representative in the house. Wouldn't surprise if in 20 years he might be president. I would vote for him
I hate demeaning political nicknames. Not as much as I hate politicians, but still. It's such a 3rd grade schoolyard bully vibe that contributes nothing except the derision we're already fully aware of.
True. I picked up "Elonia" from somewhere and it stuck. He's definitely supported Trump far more than Melania ever has. But, I'll have to come up with something that doesn't actually compliment him.
Yeah I get it would upset him, but that's because he's a misogynist little baby brain. I know it can seem small but words matter, and he should be called words like "pathetic" "goofy" "freak show"
"oh no it's probably more polite to just look away at this point this is getting sad"
Women are clearly amazing, so def not an insulting term!
I say call him “First Lady Elonia” bc he’s become Convicted Felon’s other half (WAY more than what’s-her-facelift)… Elonia even seems to have moved into Mar-A-Shithole & is clearly on Convicted Felon like a white South African on apartheid.
But Musk’s mother doesn’t think so she said on Fox that she sat in some of her son’s DOGE meetings and he’s gonna make it look easy. WTF why was she there? 😡
They’ll put blinders on and overlook it. I totally agree with you tho.. especially Space X. There are a lot of starlink satellites up there.. any idea what each one is being used for? They need to look into that and then deport him
He is a naturalized citizen. There has been some contention about his visa and whether he broke the rules. This would make him eligible for deportation under the plans of Trump administration officials if he did.
Good to know. Would serve him right if he was deported. Wonder if he'd have a choice where to go? Mother is a Canadian citizen & his father, south African.
But we all know peeps like Musk don't get deported, friends in high places
What subsidies are those?
Serious question.
Are you talking about the tax breaks for EVs that apply to all EVs or does Tesla get a specific one?
I thought all SpaceX got was for paid projects for NASA, projects that would have cost money no matter who won the contract.
Elon Musk has used tax breaks and government loans to accelerate the growth of his companies. Pretty commonly accepted practices, however he also goes in front of the public and says he is against those types of things.
I knew Tesla secured a loan during Obama's term. But that loan is was paid off far a head of time & it's the only one I've heard of. I'm not a fan of Musks, he belongs no where near politics. I don't believe Tesla or SpaceX have secured any special favours, at this point. That might change now
Every article I read only mentions the EV credit that all EVs get under a certain cost & Space X only gets money for the contracts they've won, which would have gone to someone.
They’ll go after companies like Rivian because Musk owns Tesla .. I don’t think they’ll get away with it .. but Trump “weaponizing” depts like he accused Biden of doing and we all know Trump did this during his 1st term.. one never knows. Have to believe there’s some good republicans left.
Hearing democrats drone on about "working with their republican colleagues" is like hearing chickens cluck about "working with their fox allies to build a more delicious future."
Damn we need more young and inspiring Democrats. Glad we got milk toast Schumer again in leadership that I cannot even think of anything he did to move the needle even a small peg to gain more interest in the DNC. #GoFrost
Usa treasury has few trillions of gold
These billionaires want govt to buy crypto coins with that gold .Then these billionaires would get that money eithout disruptions the most liquidity tight crypto Market .They want to cash those speculative crypto
Usa treasury has few trillions of gold
These billionaires want govt to buy crypto coins with that gold .Then these billionaires would get that money eithout disruptions the most liquidity tight crypto Market .They want to cash those speculative crypto
They believe they only do abortions! Which is not all they do. The loss if STD screening, pap smears., mammograms, birth control, prenatal care! Post natal care!
They want to harm and Kill women.
As a young family we used them to START our family. Their prenatal care was amazing! Republicans are blinded to the truth of what PP truly dose in the communities they serve.
Joining a sham advisory board to help MAGA billionaires slash trillions gov't spending to further enrich said MAGA billionaires is 100% bending the knee.
Now is not the time to be playing footsie with the far right.
Moskowitz: No, I'm sure there's lots of things that Elon & Vivek are going to propose that I'm going to say are wrong & will not work. And I look forward to that conversation... This idea of staying in your safe space & only talking to people you agree with didn't work for us in the last election.
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Not only that, but a Dem will have an inside view of what they are talking about and plan to do. Discussions will not be so secretive. I think it’s good that he is doing this.
💯 Better to be in the room than to rely on Elon & Vivek… and just being obstructionist for tribal sake is no better than the GOP & will only further discredit & backfire on Dems.
"Just because we have the conversation doesn't mean we're gonna vote for it. They're gonna have these conversations. We should be in the room."
I feel this is an important takeaway from the article. We need Democrats in that room pushing back and shaping cuts. Also, FEMA should be its own dept.
I respectfully disagree. Elon spent 250 million on this election. I think it's not smart to treat it as such, but as I have said on another thread with you, I respect your opinion on it. I just see it differently.
Try what exactly? Have a democratic representative ,who said he thinks fiscal conservatism is a good thing, join a MAGA advisory board meant to slash gov't spending to basically zero in the hopes he will be able to convince two billionaires not to act in their own self interests?
Bernie actually talked about this a little with John Stewart. The Pentagon just failed another audit. Billions are missing once again. It isn't partisan to admit there is fraud waste and abuse in the government. The only way we can highlight these instances is if we are in the room with them.
There is a 0% chance that Musk, Ramaswamy and Trump are going to agree to anything that doesn't involve the Dems completely capitulating. Additionally, when this eventually blows up, we can't even blame the Republicans because the Dems would have signed on to it.
He is exactly right when rich people and rich peoples friends get bored and want to play government middle & lower class catch pneumonia. Let’s just hope no one start tossing rolls of paper towels, smh
Yeah, but it’s real.
Congressional republicans will use DOGE’s recommendations verbatim to draft bills that will get passed and Trump will sign them into law. The GOP are so craven that won’t even blink as Musk tells them what to do.
Rep. Frost's point is important. These two unqualified billionaires with little understanding of federal government institutions, procedures, or management, are going to attempt surgery with a chainsaw. This, with little or no over-site. This is the responsibility and primary purpose of Congress.
This would be the responsibility of a "Legitimate US Congress", not one currently controlled by workers of lawlessness & deniers of freedoms & justice! We don't use a machete where a scalpel would be much more appropriate. Musk & Ramaswamy would have us believe that barbaric tactics are necessary!
Of course. I did mean Congress as defined by standards and norms. There is now a contingency within the House that's on board with a "bull in a china shop" form of governance.
It's the same analogy I used when Trump left the White House in 2021. The Bull is finally out of the China Shop & out of our lives! Little did I know that he'd be ushered back into the WH again in 2025 after having turned 2/3 of SCOTUS & practically all of the GOP Congress into his obedient sheep!
Billionaires with government contracts that gave them billions should advise govt on how to negotiate for better returns on the PEOPLES's money that’s invested. Govt left too much on the table with SpaceX & Tesla contracts. Contracts require better investment analysis & oversight
This is the most ridiculous, unserious, unofficial-looking logo for a government department. It looks like an ad for something for the kiddies... or dogs.
What is ironic is after his first failed term, he lied and was voted back into office. Inexplicable! Now, we hear stories of MAGA cultists coming to their senses and having a change of heart. Took late!
Listen America we the UK and Scotland and Ireland and other countries really care about you the Democrats will fight to stop. MTG and Elon musk trying to take away your social security and your medicare
Listen America you must take a stand against these maga republican s and make your voice heard now ask for a re count trump did not win the popular vote kamala did trump did not win by a landslide
Let's hope the Democrats and republican s will not pass trump s comedy cabinet and MTG and Elon. Musk can't take away their social security and medicare the house will. Vote against it
And the whole premise rests on anticipatory capitulation. If they were treated as having no authority by those who actually get to make decisions, they would have little to no power. But human nature being what it is, all bets are off.
They will have no authority until they are vested with it by the ventriloquist's dummy. One will put words into his mouth while the other controls the (purse)strings. He is only smart enough to repeat that sounds good; hence, Fox's sound bytes so frequently coming from his Pac-Man mug. Chomp-chomp.
Good one. Try letting one of us Lean Six Sigma at the waste - at least we treat people with respect and don't dismiss them as "waste" to be "eliminated" because they don't work at an office. How many executives in civil service have more than one office? Try tackling in a sane manner people.
Six sigma does not help to tacked this, nor Kaizen, et, or we would not be having DC dysfunction.. that's why I did more efficient system , and once all docs are in, will be marketing .
One issue is waste, other is efficiency, that is all I can say atm.
May we remind everyone that according to project deportation🤮 that Vivek is not in our country legally. Neither of his parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. And the other one Elon was working in our Country illegally, according to his own brother who admitted it on video.
not at all a joke to the many people going to lose their jobs or lose essential govt services over malicious greed-infested sadistic pricks cosplaying as government officials.
Trump isn't fiscally conservative at all. They will still completely axe/consolidate some departments Republicans hate(e.g. EPA, Education, CPFB). Cut $100 billion over 4 years but raise spending by $400 billion. Rest of $2T total cuts will be a poison pill that won't kick in till late Jan 2029.
DOGE met with Senator Thune yesterday to discuss ideas for slashing the federal budget.
They propose cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans benefits, etc., to extend the Trump tax cuts and ram through another huge round of tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporations.
They're going to do it. Let's hope it's enough that the half that voted for them realizes what they did and there's a change in how they vote in 2026. It's the only way to make change in a democracy (assuming we will still be a democracy by then). Sigh.
We will all suffer. Especially with cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Veterans’ programs. Maybe the half that voted for him will finally see the light.
Still perplexed from 🌎 abroad... 1/2 of U S of A voters duped by populist playbook 'man of the people'? Democracy resulting Dumpf 2.0 plutocracy, corporate oligarchy? Duly noted, No efficiency cuts from Musky's gov't funding
It’s nothing more than tribal politics. They want their team to win. They’re in favor of anything that either hurts the other side or causes strife regardless of the impact that any policy may have on their lives.
As well, most people are incredibly ill-informed. They don’t have the time to investigate what’s happening because they’re struggling to stay afloat. They thus take whatever news they receive from the main-stream media as gospel, especially if it reinforces their already-held views.
They also either don’t have the time, the wherewithal, or both to understand what various Government agencies actually do and that there is already an entity, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), that attempts to reduce wasteful spending once funding is obligated by Congress.
We are now in an experiment phase of letting the rich takes over our lives and make decisions for us. I doubt this will make our lives better and groceries cheaper. The this is what the people voted for
It’s quite clear that the Dodgy DOGE Dudes have no clue how government works, what it does, etc. Neither billionaire needs anything from the government; all they want is no regulations & lower taxes for themselves. Plus severe conflicts of interest all over. 🙄
I know that. But, DOGE is not a legally sanctioned department of the government. There is no DOGE. So there is no paid staff and no one to carry out their stupid suggestions. It's just a couple of rich guys who think they have more power than they actually do.
It doesn't matter. Transition officials can include people who operate at the executive level across multiple departments. Sadly, people are gonna have to work with them whether they like it or not.
California High Speed Rail Project
-Originally projected 2008 cost $33 billion; now projected to cost between $88.5 and $127.9 billion
-Completion date was 2020; as of 2024, zero passengers majority has not even been fully designed
-Received $6.8 billion in federal funds
-Requesting $8 billion more
That's all Republicans ever do so they are in good company.
Trump's second term will be known as 'The Apprentice 2.0'.
It is going to be nothing more than a reality show played out over the next 4 years.
The original "Apprentice" was known as "the Shit Show" due to Trump's habit of filling his pants, apparently a side effect of the Aderol he constantly abused.
"The Shit Show 2.0" seems pretty appropriate, if you ask me.
Yes, even that long ago. Everyone had to sign NDA's to prevent the public from knowing what a shitbag,(literally and figuratively) Trump was during the run of the Apprentice.
Here's my take.
DOGE:
1. "Investigate" for a few months
2. Publish the reports that you have been putting together for the last 4 years that show how inefficient the Govt is
3. Privatise it
4. Run it well, the population loves you
5. You now OWN America
6. Collect Trillions.
This idea got me. And can't stop asking myself why $B'aires want to play government official. Isn't it the other way around? Where middling civil servants dream of enormous wealth and ditching the bureaucracy??
Usa treasury has few trillions of gold
These billionaires want govt to buy crypto coins with that gold .Then these billionaires would get that money eithout disruptions the most liquidity tight crypto Market .They want to cash those speculative crypto
Because they want to move the government money, our tax dollars, into their own pockets. It’s all a giant grift. Why else would they be latching onto the Trumps, the poster children for this?
Exactly. It was kind of a joke envisioning billionaires dreaming of becoming middle-income harried civil servants, but it is clearly not that. And it's absurd that we have made this possible by failing to hold leaders accountable.
DOdGEy is a propaganda tool for MAGA run by two losers who have nothing better to do. I’m all for saving tax dollars and I welcome any actual inefficiencies they can fix. I’m afraid it will be used to other ends.
Two losers, lol. Elon is probably the most influential person of this generation.
He has single handed brought electric cars to the mainstream. Alternative energy developer, internet to anywhere on earth and now space travel.
What have you done, lol
Loser
I read 20 or so comments. The complete DOGE scenario is hilarious and will be featured on SNL for sure.
But, the concept of trimming waste, sounds good. The Pentagon has never passed an audit! We need accountability. I pay my taxes, yes, but not to make some ripoff contractors rich.
Think twice.
How about increasing corp taxes to 35 percent as it was previously .No company will leave USA as usa is the most lucrative mkt zbd wd can threaten them with tariffs if they want to leave and export to usa .35 percent id not too much .I pay that much .
The plan is for all of them to make as much money off of the government as they possibly can and make sure nobody else catches them doing it and making us poor and no education so will be too stupid to do anything about it! fuck them! We’re watching!
I have lots of faith in this young man but I also hope he can inspire his generation of voters to look at politics realistically. It’s not perfect but you HAVE to engage to change.
Doge is a fake government job. It's only made because of Elonia's connection with the doge crypto. Elonia was downgraded in the Trump team and will be the first one out since that job ends first. 🤣
I'd say, you should demand your government to be efficient. It's also important to have audits to ensure the federal agencies doesn't waste resources. It is however important that it is done by experts in the field. You should never cut spending on something without a proper assessment!
There's the GAO, the Inspector Generals, and various amounts of internal auditors within each Department. Honestly, there are auditors for the auditors and now with DOGE we now have an auditor for those auditors who are auditing the audits. Now that's efficiency!
By the numbers, government is far more efficient than private sector. But the GOP, in their desire and inability to actually do anything constructive, have spent decades blaming "government inefficiency" for their laziness and negative policies and the press has parroted their BS.
It’s easier & lazy to say it’s govt inefficiency, to punch downwards, than it is to look to who the actual cause is - billionaires not paying their fair share
The whole government is wall street, tech, and loyalists. This kind of set up didn't work well for the housing market in 2007-2008. I don't think running the government this way will be any better.
They have no financial authority. That is up to Congress. They can recommend cutting the VA by 70%, but let's see how that plays out among Republican constituents.
This is such an important point. This is a kleptocrat and a mini-me attempting to cloak their intended kleptocracy under color of government. DOGE is as fraud and needs to be treated as such. The media need to drop their wide-eyed credulity
Didn’t you hear? The young bros who follow Rogan don’t care about policies. It’s all about personalities. They like aliens, martial arts and voted for maga.
It’s called misdirection. Tell them one thing, do something completely different. Like “operation warp speed”. We found out that in reality our resources were being sold to the highest bidder (China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc). While Americans were dying without these resources.
. . . . it's more of a #WannaBeBlueRibbonPanel is it not?
An UBER wealthy Puppetmaster should not have such things produced by their orange puppet. That setup never turns out well for #ThePeople. Just another reminder of #FAFOSeason.
Instead of these billionaires enjoying their wealth, they’ve have chosen to bring hardship on average Americans. This could backfire in a big way. ..Dancing on Quicksand
I agree with you, but as a psychological professional, I can tell you--just like in Hitler's day--from the moment Little Trumpy came down the gold escalator he was using psychological tactics to train & reinforce people to believe & then unreasonably support him, like a cult. They got programmed 😞
The fact that two unelected people with skin in the game have a saying what needs to be cut or approve is insane. We have the house, senate and president. There’s a process.
Look at enforcement of spending regulations in effect. Eliminating many of the fraudulent payment in every part of the government could save many many billions of dollars. It appears their goal is to enrich them self’s and their friends in industry.
Vs eliminating agencies like consumer protection just look at the unbelievable waste in spending on all items by the government. Paying $1500 for $2 parts. Paying far more to rent office space than all other tenants
Why is Musk and Vivek galloping through the halls of Congress? I am wondering WTH is going on, because America only has one President at a time. DOGE is a non-governmental entity under a Trump Administration and Trump hasn’t been sworn in yet. They are being rude and disrespectful.
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And one with major government contracts who is looking to cut everything government except his own government contracts that are the waste that needs to be cut.
With less government workers to get in the way means easier road for Elon getting his contracts signed. Of course he will get the “right” people filled for the jobs that will affect his contracts.
So you are saying our satellites that monitor the weather, C02 levels, methane discharges, nuclear proliferation, gather signals from other countries are all pure waste that needs to be cut? Or would you rather have NASA launch these for 25x the cost?
For all the money he claims he wants to save, then that should include his own contracts which would then allow NASA to run its own platform fully funded. If your concern is about the money, then yes, we should include the billions paid to him and be self-reliant. If their honest about it.
So you are advocating for the US Gov to stop outsourcing everything they can do themselves? Should they build their own fighter jets? Tanks? The US Gov buys commercial goods for a few trillion $ per year. Is the US Gov tried to do that themselves, it would cost 100 trillion or more.
No, just towards one particular individual whose multiple contracts are in the billions, not millions. One who wants say beyond those contracts and to even involve himself in our foreign policy and in some cases has. One we should not be beholden to simply because he offers a services.
Yet for all the cuts he wants to make, target the needs of the people while his own contracts remain expensive when he could easily cut the costs within his own contracts if he were serious about saving money. Do you feel he deserve to milk taxpayer money while cutting their needs in the process.
So this year SpaceX is going to launch 100 rockets and thousands of satellites to orbit that private companies and wealth people pay for and the US gives them nothing for that. Only a few of their launches are for the US Gov.
SpaceX charges the US Gov 10 million dollars for a Falcon 9 launch and NASA would ask Congress for 100-500 Million for the same launch. Private industry can always do better than government in expense.
I assumed they were going to cut waste. They're cutting indiscriminately. It's not clear that NIH costs anything since it's an engine for economic development of pharma and med tech, two important industries for U.S. economy.
Congress may not delegate its powers to a private citizen. Congress has regularly delegated its power to federal agencies. But even that has come under fire by the conservative wing of SCOTUS. In Gundy v. US, the dissent argued against delegation, saying it gave “unfettered discretion” to the AG.
Did Donald’s crew crunch the numbers for the billionaire tax cuts yet? So they know exactly how much to skim from the government budget to cover? Plus a little play money?
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I heard a story on it that glossed over those pertinant facts. Once in a while, thhy touched on how it was Congress' job it would be doing but never saying if it was Constitutional or not, never mentioning the two rich guys have no business being involved.
Frustrating.
It's GAO.
Regardless these two butt monkeys will never have any actual legal authority to do anything at all.
They might send some sternly worded memos and endanger some lives by doxing them though.
"oh no it's probably more polite to just look away at this point this is getting sad"
I say call him “First Lady Elonia” bc he’s become Convicted Felon’s other half (WAY more than what’s-her-facelift)… Elonia even seems to have moved into Mar-A-Shithole & is clearly on Convicted Felon like a white South African on apartheid.
But we all know peeps like Musk don't get deported, friends in high places
Corporate welfare good.
Citizen welfare bad.
Serious question.
Are you talking about the tax breaks for EVs that apply to all EVs or does Tesla get a specific one?
I thought all SpaceX got was for paid projects for NASA, projects that would have cost money no matter who won the contract.
I'll do more searching on the internet for similar info.
Wiemar-coded asf.
And that 2 people are appointed to slimming down the Gov't?
We have a saying -it can apply to a lot of different situations:
A clown with a gun is still a clown with a gun. 😓
These billionaires want govt to buy crypto coins with that gold .Then these billionaires would get that money eithout disruptions the most liquidity tight crypto Market .They want to cash those speculative crypto
These billionaires want govt to buy crypto coins with that gold .Then these billionaires would get that money eithout disruptions the most liquidity tight crypto Market .They want to cash those speculative crypto
They want to harm and Kill women.
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/05/nx-s1-5215817/democratic-rep-moskowitz-joins-trump-group-pushing-for-government-efficiency
Now is not the time to be playing footsie with the far right.
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I feel this is an important takeaway from the article. We need Democrats in that room pushing back and shaping cuts. Also, FEMA should be its own dept.
Congressional republicans will use DOGE’s recommendations verbatim to draft bills that will get passed and Trump will sign them into law. The GOP are so craven that won’t even blink as Musk tells them what to do.
One issue is waste, other is efficiency, that is all I can say atm.
They're in the dog pound
They propose cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans benefits, etc., to extend the Trump tax cuts and ram through another huge round of tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporations.
I say no!
only has 18 months in which to implement as much of Project 2025 as possible. Then it will be time to focus on the midterms.
Considering all the damage he plans to inflict, we should be able to take back control of Congress.
But he can do a lot of damage in two years…
I’m not a wealthy woman, and SS is my main source of income.
George W. Bush had a similar idea, and it failed miserably.
Hang in there!
Save this number. You can call anyone in Congress:
202-224-3121
-Originally projected 2008 cost $33 billion; now projected to cost between $88.5 and $127.9 billion
-Completion date was 2020; as of 2024, zero passengers majority has not even been fully designed
-Received $6.8 billion in federal funds
-Requesting $8 billion more
Who is paying them and out of what funds?
Trump's second term will be known as 'The Apprentice 2.0'.
It is going to be nothing more than a reality show played out over the next 4 years.
"The Shit Show 2.0" seems pretty appropriate, if you ask me.
DOGE:
1. "Investigate" for a few months
2. Publish the reports that you have been putting together for the last 4 years that show how inefficient the Govt is
3. Privatise it
4. Run it well, the population loves you
5. You now OWN America
6. Collect Trillions.
These billionaires want govt to buy crypto coins with that gold .Then these billionaires would get that money eithout disruptions the most liquidity tight crypto Market .They want to cash those speculative crypto
He has single handed brought electric cars to the mainstream. Alternative energy developer, internet to anywhere on earth and now space travel.
What have you done, lol
Loser
Department Of Government Inefficiency!
I’d start with all these so called Czars being appointed. What do they do, staff, compensation, accountability!
But, the concept of trimming waste, sounds good. The Pentagon has never passed an audit! We need accountability. I pay my taxes, yes, but not to make some ripoff contractors rich.
Think twice.
votes ever received, zero plan to help America or Americans.
If they’re looking to save $2T, why not head for the Pentagon?
I got 50 new white hairs just because I understood that reference.
Good luck America you going back a 100 years
An UBER wealthy Puppetmaster should not have such things produced by their orange puppet. That setup never turns out well for #ThePeople. Just another reminder of #FAFOSeason.
#KeepingItReal #AwakenQuicklyThoseStillSleeping
That’s Putin
They are his bitches
Vs eliminating agencies like consumer protection just look at the unbelievable waste in spending on all items by the government. Paying $1500 for $2 parts. Paying far more to rent office space than all other tenants
Hey babe, we go together like crypto and rug pulls.
This is 43% of government-wide improper payments that year.
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