In my opinion, too much patriotism no matter the person’s political affiliation can be really toxic. It can blind people to their country’s wrongdoings and too extreme of patriotism can lead to ultra-nationalism which if not corrected leads to fascism. Like I’m just a human on a big rock. 😭🫠
patriotism for a settler colonial entity is always fascist. if you want to make a patriotism that isnt reactionary it should oppose the existence of the settler colonial entity.
It’s hard to be a patriot in America but I love a lot of people around here. I try. I really do. I ta just in my 41 years I’ve watched it get mean and meaner. More and more selfish. Doing less good and more bad with every passing year. I think it being cool to “not care bro” started it. 90s?
They distort Christianity to their needs as well. The problem is they are very stupid people who exist in a primitive mindset, most likely due to lead in the drinking water.
I'm not punching at progressives. We NEED progressives. But people who sabotage progress by refusing to acknowledge the system as it exists and relinquishing power to the right, over and over again, aren't progressive.
No, actually, we need to douse patriotism in gasoline and torch it up in a strip-mall parking lot.
Patriotism is high-school football for grownups.
Patriotism is for people too goddamn simple to think.
people too stupid to think make up the majority sadly. It would probably help for them to think actions against the current state are good and patriotic instead of anti American schemes.
Jenn and Angie (I’ve Had It pod) agree! We need to reclaim the word “patriot” so it doesn’t automatically conjure up blowhard MAGA people! Welcome to a family of “Patriots, Gaytriots, and Theytriots”!
Yep. This also means articulating real values to define a Patriotism that doesn't just mean white supremacy and hate. Instead, we need to start saying things like "I believe in an America where people equal and we have a Government that works for everyone and not just corporations and billionaires."
I think if you want to give undecided Americans an America to believe in that will require articulating a kind of Patriotism that isn't just white supremacy and vacant nationalism, yes
Yeah that's very true. But if we can't articulate a vision for a country that can people can believe in and ground it in values that can be admired, then I don't think we'll win the ideological struggle for a better country.
True, but I think starting with patriotism is not the way to do it, though. Maybe through an emphasis on community care and the understanding that all countries and borders are fake… those with the power to draw those borders do not give a shit about us, so we have to take care of each other.
Damn right! Been saying this for years. It’s OUR flag. The flag they want are the confederate & nazi flags: two powers that literally declared war on the USA
Because of that, it's probably a better idea to take the focus on those values (morals and ideology) and center around that, without the baggage of clannishness.
Those are cool values, but that's just morality, and as-those-values-are-enacted, ethics and ideology
Patriotism, as it's inherently rooted in nation and state, will always have an exclusionary principle rooted in citizenship and location, or worse, ethnicity and statism
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they’ve always been fascist nationalists
Still fly OUR flag (not their’s)
2025 isn't much different than 1970.
Hard pass on claiming that.
Super patriotism is blind loyalty and cultist
real patriotism expects justice and truth because you can't really love something that's unjust
- Regressives
Patriotism is high-school football for grownups.
Patriotism is for people too goddamn simple to think.
I'm proud of the Americans who fought against those things, even and especially those who didn't succeed.
America doesn't mean white people.
But maybe you're right.
But Patriotism without principles or morality is dangerous yeah.
Because of that, it's probably a better idea to take the focus on those values (morals and ideology) and center around that, without the baggage of clannishness.
Patriotism, as it's inherently rooted in nation and state, will always have an exclusionary principle rooted in citizenship and location, or worse, ethnicity and statism
Those can't be progressive