Good point, it's unclear whether society should prioritize the rights of children not to be hit over their parents' right to hit them. repository.sbts.edu/bitstream/ha... - ThreadSky

michaelhobbes.bsky.social • 361 days ago

Good point, it's unclear whether society should prioritize the rights of children not to be hit over their parents' right to hit them.
https://repository.sbts.edu/bitstream/handle/10392/2362/2004-06-21.pd

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bootstheory.bsky.social•361 days ago

Does it really matter if parental authority is being assaulted though, I mean, maybe the parental authority just needed a quick correction on its behaviour! That's not assault, surely???

fromthemorgue.bsky.social•361 days ago

Yes Stephanie’s right, what’s happening is parental authority is being lovingly but firmly corrected

coestar.live•361 days ago

"self-designated child experts"

only a fuckhead writes this way

coestar.live•361 days ago

that said, it's a perfect description of the corporal punishment parents

jadehawk.bsky.social•361 days ago

"anti-spanking fanatics will not rest until corporal punishment is banned throughout society"

well i fucking hope so

jadehawk.bsky.social•361 days ago

also i'm pretty sure "several points in between" massachusetts and great britain is just water

massivruss.bsky.social•361 days ago

From experience as parent, spanking is not "Authority", it's rage. Kids will do that to you, but it's still rage.

reftpt93.bsky.social•361 days ago

Yeah that 3-6 age is not an accident, that age range is particularly challenging.

ate-bush.bsky.social•361 days ago

psychiatrist wilhelm reich said that the family was the first cell of fascism and it sounds too radical until you read shit like this

mattgoldberg.bsky.social•361 days ago

It’s so weird. Like if someone told you, “Yeah, I hit my dog when he misbehaves,” you’d think that person was awful! Why a lower bar for children?!

gienieczko.com•361 days ago

I adore your naïveté thinking that people who justify hitting their kids wouldn't also justify them hitting their dogs.

Decent puppy-training books usually start with a chapter on "hey mate, don't fucking hit your dog". There's a reason they need to specify that.

jmgreene28.bsky.social•361 days ago

sometimes an uncle gives me shit for not smacking my dog and I like hitting is bad!

gienieczko.com•361 days ago

You know what to do.

Smack the uncle.

gienieczko.com•361 days ago

(for the record I do not condone violent behaviour (unless it is situationally funny))

guineaduke.bsky.social•361 days ago

I remember my psychology professor talking about how she had to fight for her anti-spanking findings to be published because she taught at a church-related college. "Contradicting" the Bible at all can get very dicey very fast

wendelschwab.bsky.social•361 days ago

The Bible doesn't even say to spank children.

guineaduke.bsky.social•361 days ago

people have multiple interpretations of "spare the rod and spoil the child" unfortunately

couldntbeme.bsky.social•361 days ago

I thought some people thought the rod was more like a shepherd crook?

wendelschwab.bsky.social•361 days ago

The "rod" is used by shepherds to herd their sheep. A shepherd wouldn't hit their sheep, but rather guide them.

agtmadcat.bsky.social•361 days ago

Spanking is to parenting what war is to diplomacy. If you ever get anywhere close to that point then a whole lot of things have gone very badly wrong. But if you're at that point, then what? Would that society provided better supports for the desperate.

glorbis.bsky.social•361 days ago

no shit gets me angrier

susieusmaximus.bsky.social•313 days ago

They never ask themselves why the only authority they're able to establish over their children involves beating them up.

jgcrocke.bsky.social•361 days ago

“Several points in between” Brookline and Great Britain so like… maybe Eastport in Newfoundland? The west coast of Nova Scotia?

druv.bsky.social•312 days ago

Now realized this whole thread is a month old, oops!

druv.bsky.social•312 days ago

Dang it, I was just going to make this point :D

priva.cat•361 days ago

That title is an extra level of either clever punning or tone-deafness. Not totally sure which.

businesspikachu.bsky.social•361 days ago

Coming to the issue as a Norwegian who grew up in the 90s/2000s, it is insane to me that it is not considered child abuse in every modern society.

tanadrin.bsky.social•361 days ago

People need spanking to be justified or it means they got spanked as kids for no reason. It’s the logic of the Spartan agoge: all this violence has to mean something, we can’t have locked our society into a cycle of suffering for no reason!

jeremyj.bsky.social•361 days ago

Right - and/or it means reckoning with the fallibility of our parents in ways that makes us uncomfortable.

dewill90.bsky.social•361 days ago

I remember teaching in a prison hearing stories of abuse by parents (e.g., beat me so hard he broke my leg) and how children aren't disciplined (i.e., beaten) enough. Not happy when I suggested such discipline didn't keep them from prison.

dewill90.bsky.social•361 days ago

I also remember working with parents in the 2000s who were discussing kids throwing tantrums in the grocery store and (1) fearing the parents judging them for not spanking their kids and (2) fearing the people who would call the police if they did spank their kids. 20 years difference in attitude.

tyrotcm.bsky.social•361 days ago

"under assault" for being criticized for assaulting defenseless children

rkemb.bsky.social•361 days ago

There are quite a few "legitimate concerns" which, when you get down to it, are about someone's desire to be able to hurt another person being infringed.

feloniousdrunk.bsky.social•313 days ago

I do wonder if those inclined towards spanking would just concoct more twisted ways of punishing their children if spanking were outlawed?

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