I still think we should bring back crucifixtion without nails and see if anyone cuts em down...
This would be a good way to introduce kids to the concept lol https://youtu.be/RW34u1KxGC4?si=1T-U8Ii6fkDZu1W-
Thank you for this post. It really made me sit up and take note. I hope people read this and also stop, think, and realise how easy it is to just keep quiet and be inactive and weak and not make a stand to do the right thing.
Groupthink, however, is a fallacy in a decision made as a group (after a discussion), it needs strong group cohesion and usually a leader as well as active avoidance of outside information, that is why I thought it was less fitting here.
The teachers goal wasn't to convince the students that Steve wasn't taking notes. There was no attempt to convince them.
None of them changed their mind. They just backed down.
The teachers goal was to see if any of them would rock the boat or just go along with it.
Classic GT experiment.
IF that happened now, Steve's parents would sue and possibly burn down the school. Take Steve to firing range to get over his angst of being singled out. Steve would be shamed relentlessly on social media all times of the day. Im glad I'm not a kid.
One of the first and harshest lessons we are taught is not to question authority. That teacher presented a powerful truth, but those kids had probably witnessed plenty of times that the kid who questioned was punished. Certainly worth thinking about.
LoriLu: Watch The Eye Test. With parents’ permission, blue-eyed kids and teacher discriminate against browns for week, roles then reversed. Amazing how nasty kids become when teacher calls select group stupid etc. Test scores reflect sense of inferiority. Shows what can happen to Blk children
Some professions take creativity and skill, feelings and logic introducing methods of imparting the largest share of information to the most people within the same effort. The lesson is still reaching people it was that good. Wish the teacher would get royalties for the idea.
In the 80's in college my sociology prof had everyone stand in a circle and then jump. Sounds stupid right. When someone refused to he basically went full metal jacket drill instructor on them until they did. It was a lesson on social and peer pressure. Stuck with me forever.
Took sociology and decided to do an experiment. I was dressed in a suit or dressed like a bum. I alternated. No one talked to me as a bum even though I sat in the same seat and tried to be equally engaged. The teacher even skipped me when I was grubby.
AND we have an audacious pompous blowhard whose gross and uninvited voice out speaks EVERY DAMNED PERSON. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK LOUDER AND WITH MORE AUTHORITY SO THE STUPID PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND AND NOT JUST HEAR ORANGE TRAITORS. And his worthless enabling accomplices.
I hope she’d arranged it with Steve first. What sort of personality did he have then? Was he popular, unpopular? Was his ethnicity an issue? His class background? And I’d like some background on the teacher. I doubt she could use the method today without herself facing persecution.
If this is not a fake story, I think the teacher abused her power. Yes, it is important to bring home the horror of conformity and fear and the lack of solidarity, but not ever in this brutal way. What arrogance.
Horror of conformity and fear and lack of solidarity is life and exactly how ppl figure it how they act. Everyone can say I’d do this or not that but until they are faced w/it brutally, they are simply talking.
Exactly. I grew up in Germany and many of my generation asked their parents why they did not oppose the Nazis. But not until one is faced with a threat to oneself or loved ones can we be sure we would have what it takes. My experience is that opposition to injustice has to be practiced every day.
Saw a movie where the one guy is telling a valuable life lesson to another guy and then smacked em in the face. He said "what was that for?" So you remember it.
Well what the smacked guy will remember: It's okay to be violent to people when you think that you are in the right. Not a good lesson. In the Milgram experiment, people gave supposedly deadly electric chocs to other participants because they were asked to 'teach' them something.
Shock treatment is torture, let's not get carried away. I remember every time my parents smack me. Most times I deserved it. Never been smacked or touched by a teacher. Learned hard lessons/truths from school. In general
Like not figuring out until 40 years later what was happening when a high school band director described the saxophone as a half-breed instrument, simultaneously pointing at the sax in the hands of a classmate whose father was white and married to a Mexican woman.
Ha, I had the same thought. I was the annoying kid who corrected teachers out loud for misspellings and contradicting themselves. I never understood how powerful the bystander effect was for other people, but I’ve accepted it as a fact, sadly.
And now we have bots chiming in, making it seem like we’re fighting ghosts or worse, being gaslighted into believing everything said here is truthfully stated with care.
Remember that scene in The Avengers when Loki commands the people filling the square to kneel to him, and the old man bravely refuses and stands up? WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO BE THAT BRAVE OLD MAN FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS.
I did something like this in my ELA class. 9th graders. We were reading « Night ». A group was sent out of class because they just didn’t « belong ». Only one student spoke up. I, too, said see how easy that was?
Thank you for this. We’ve also seen how very, very common it has been for those with power (e.g., many in Congress) to surrender their spines, and gonads, to maintain positions of power. Sen. McConnell, and other “public servants” like him, warrant the people’s contempt, never our votes.
My dad participated in a similar thing when he was a kid. He did say that 1 girl absolutely stood up for him and yelled at the whole class for staying silent. I hope she is having an amazing life somewhere!
I agree. But being an educator today, this would be hard to do overnight because I would get the nastiest phone calls from parents telling me this shouldn’t be taught. All of my students are white. But this must be taught!
Please stand up now! It may be our last chance to stop the madness before it starts.
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This reminds me of the first time I had a panic attack. In 2nd grade our principal came in to our class and told us the whole grade had to move into one classroom. Me and another girl started crying. And then I couldn't stop. It was to teach us what it was like when the redcoats invaded. ?????
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She knew the particular student very well and had their permission.
At the end she told them what she had done.
A great lesson in how the mob can do terrible things.
It was in the 1990s. Not sure you could get away with it now.
This would be a good way to introduce kids to the concept lol
https://youtu.be/RW34u1KxGC4?si=1T-U8Ii6fkDZu1W-
(Groupthink is the illusion of a tightly knit group that they have all the information and are in the right)
Groupthink is about not speaking out against the majority.
Groupthink, however, is a fallacy in a decision made as a group (after a discussion), it needs strong group cohesion and usually a leader as well as active avoidance of outside information, that is why I thought it was less fitting here.
It was to see if the class could be scared into not standing up for him.
Original post ends with: “Don't ever let anyone tell you that what you see with your own eyes isn't happening.”
None of them changed their mind. They just backed down.
The teachers goal was to see if any of them would rock the boat or just go along with it.
Classic GT experiment.
You’re GasLighting yourself. 🤦🏻
Makes sense, no?
But I love the lesson
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Hope Steve was okay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLAi78hluFc
Tragic that the party of 'freedom' interprets that to mean 'what we tell you and what we prohibit from you'.
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If not, the teacher was taking a substantial risk.