Found this on The Fork in the Road. Quite interesting listening
https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/a-fork-in-the-road-is-federal-employee?utm_source=podcast-email%2Csubstack&publication_id=1669845&post_id=156063724&play_audio=true&utm_campaign=email-play-on-substack&token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjozMDEwMjkxNzUsInBvc3RfaWQiOjE1NjA2MzcyNCwiaWF0IjoxNzM4MjA3MzcwLCJleHAiOjE3NDA3OTkzNzAsImlzcyI6InB1Yi0xNjY5ODQ1Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.ifecD_G92EAWT8Vf8lpBqnHPjOiv5hsC7GagTuAzEMI&utm_medium=email&utm_content=play_card_post_title&r=4z83lj&triedRedirect=true
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