No, Democrats should not respond to their election defeat by throwing minorities under a bus. Instead, they should offer a compelling economic vision for struggling Americans, which forces the Republicans on the defensive. New column 👇 www.theguardian.com/commentisfre... - ThreadSky

owenjones.bsky.social • 100 days ago

No, Democrats should not respond to their election defeat by throwing minorities under a bus.

Instead, they should offer a compelling economic vision for struggling Americans, which forces the Republicans on the defensive.

New column 👇

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/20/democrats-donald-trump-falling-us-wages

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dbpublisher.bsky.social•99 days ago

Dems could have any policy position you like and it would not make a difference. Want to make it easier for 1st time home buyers to afford a home? Harris had a plan.
But who heard it? In America the media is dominated by Murdoch and oligarch media owners. Until their hold on the voters is broken...

litterygeniarse.bsky.social•100 days ago

The right wing fifth columnists in their party will be pushing them right, just like what happened with LABoraTORIES

wallypaulnuts.bsky.social•100 days ago

Your attempts at dissecting the Democrats' failures is admirable, but when a significant majority chose the guy who makes up stories about people eating cats and dogs, there's little point in having any kind of coherent policy.

dkhennessy.bsky.social•100 days ago

I said this yesterday. Democrats don't have to do anything because the onus ison the Republicans.

Best case scenario, they continue to do nothing and piss off their voters.

Worst case, they follow through with their shit and piss off their voters because that's not what they voted for.

cynical-sid.bsky.social•100 days ago

Dems carry the risk of being complacent. GOP could mess it up materially and still carry enough support because of populism.

annabananabanana.bsky.social•99 days ago

Not sure the Dems would be allowed to do that. If you are saying "we are for everyone" journalists and commentators will keep on asking, for eg, does that include transgendered people? How would Harris answer that v how would Trump?

wibleypig.bsky.social•100 days ago

So despite the Democrats losing the election because they were too woke. Your solution is to become super woke.

jimup60.bsky.social•100 days ago

Met a Texan couple before Trumps first election who wanted either Trump or Sanders to be president. It blew my mind at first, and then I realised they actually wanted radical change to end the neoliberal status quo that the Clinton's and then Republicans had protected. Tragedy is, they got Trump

stjohn75.bsky.social•100 days ago

Struggling Americans didn’t vote for Trump on the whole. Your entire premise is false.

darnsmall.bsky.social•100 days ago

That's never going to happen.

I saw throw all of us under the bus...again...and let's see how it works out.

Why the fuck would any Nazi vote for Facism-Lite, when they can have full-cream Nazi Facism...delivered to their doorstep within 24hrs?

darnsmall.bsky.social•100 days ago

*say

vaneshi.bsky.social•100 days ago

Exactly. The counter to Trump IMHO is go full bore socialism. Universal healthcare, education reforms, mass housing buildouts, public transport upgrades, overhauls, and price restrictions. Ya know the stuff that'd actually make peoples lives easier to live.

lisatwit.bsky.social•100 days ago

Economics was where they let themselves down I felt. I feel bad criticising their campaign because in anyone’s book Donald Trump’s was a complete joke talking about people eating cats and dogs - but sadly we live in a world where that seems to be acceptable, the Dems just have to live with that 😩

cynical-sid.bsky.social•100 days ago

100% agree. Bernie Sanders nailed it when he spoke about losing the fight for the working class. I see so much division within the Dems and at this time they need genuine leadership.

jwbsalevi.bsky.social•100 days ago

It seems "Minorities" shouldn't be assumed to be a voting block. And "compelling economic visions" rarely become realities. Maybe what happened is that there were more people willing to swallow the right's unmitigated BS (MAGA!) than the centre's palliative BS (JOY !).

graeme.blog•99 days ago

The Dems need a Project 2029, a manifesto to basically undo what is coming and serve the people properly.

charlesedward.bsky.social•100 days ago

The only people ever thrown under the bus by democrats are white working class males.

wilar.bsky.social•100 days ago

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

apawhite.bsky.social•100 days ago

Honestly if Americans had actually heard Harris' economic vision they probably would have approved, but almost every single news source in the US is locked down or distorted to promote Trump, from the NYT and WaPo to all the Sinclair group local news TV.

theohopkins.bsky.social•100 days ago

A rather better discussion of 'what went wrong' - also from the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/18/donald-trump-victory-liberals-modern-crisis-neoliberal

theohopkins.bsky.social•100 days ago

Half of America believes that God actually created the world in seven days. The other half believe that people can actually change their sex by an affirmative statement.
All is lost!

anguscampbell.bsky.social•100 days ago

Scapegoats

steve-jackson.bsky.social•100 days ago

This is exactly what labour are doing. The Tories were in power for 14 years and labour want to be more Tory in order to be electable in the future.

eppursimuovee.bsky.social•100 days ago

Who cares what democrats do, they support Gaza genocide and are backed by billionaires, US people should just forget about them and organize in a different movement.

urbanshanshui.bsky.social•100 days ago

They won't. They'll lean further right just like they have been doing for a while now.

rebeccasjc.bsky.social•100 days ago

So sad to see some on the left falling for this.
Was really disappointed in Novara media yesterday, letting Kasparian spout right wing talking points completely unchallenged, even defending a disgusting transphobic republican advert.

deltarose.bsky.social•99 days ago

Let me guess, it was one of Walker or Bastani?

urbanshanshui.bsky.social•100 days ago

I saw that and was like, wtf? Really??

jaycee5.bsky.social•100 days ago

NM have been problematic since they leant into the smear in its early days
Then Michael Walker did a review of Labour Lies despite not having seen it
They occasionally have good report but are generally unreliable

duncanpoundcake.bsky.social•99 days ago

NM were no-where to be seen when the right used AS to beat Corbyn to death.

They always wait to see which way the wind is blowing.

jaycee5.bsky.social•99 days ago

He was on This Week agreeing with Andrew Neil that there was too much antisemitism in the Labour Party

margaretgearydwyer.bsky.social•99 days ago

🤬

duncanpoundcake.bsky.social•99 days ago

Yep. Can't harm those book sales and paid BBC gigs.

NM is like a trendy version of The Guardian. Good at whining, less good at walking the talk.

momoblossomyuki.bsky.social•100 days ago

i find it weird though how GOP can get away with pushing minorities out of the job market, making them poorer but they still fall for lies and vote against their interests.

Democrats really need to wake up to push populous rhetoric and convince people to stop voting against their interests

urbanshanshui.bsky.social•100 days ago

They always think they can win "moderate" republicans despite that never, never happening. And they're already signaling that the answer is leaning further right.

momoblossomyuki.bsky.social•100 days ago

they really really really need to learn there is no "shifting" always voting R. they need to get a populous message about how their plans will help the economy and human rights, also unions etc etc. You are not going to get your local neo nazi to ever vote for you

cpdagosta.bsky.social•99 days ago

Likely yeah

trixiebeldame.bsky.social•100 days ago

THANK YOU.

People who are constntly anxious (bc they can't pay basic bills) become angry; they want to tear down the system that harmed them, or hurt the scapegoats. Psych 101. As someone pushed into poverty by Grt Rec, I understand this; DEM LDRSHIP, why don't u?

#neoliberal policies don't work!

m-zola.bsky.social•100 days ago

As we have seen time and time again with progressives across the world. They'll cut their noses by thinking the answer is to lean further right..

dthoruk.bsky.social•100 days ago

I get the 'Dems needed to give reasons to vote for them' take - and agree with it. How do you respond to an opponent who just lies?

mdaihg.bsky.social•100 days ago

It’s true he lies, but this lies are built to exploit real grievances. People see their tax money funding a genocide abroad, while their own lived experience is worse than their parents generation. Not saying he will fix it, but the grievance is real.

varyaordo.bsky.social•100 days ago

Democrats are very willing to be apart of the ratchet effect. They care not for the economics that help the little guys out. Dems have been, since day one of the party flip, right leaning. They are conservative corporate shills and have moved very far from the center

duncanpoundcake.bsky.social•99 days ago

That boat sailed a long, long time ago, matey.

ultimared.bsky.social•99 days ago

Is there any update on the advice labour together gave the democrats?

humanity101.bsky.social•100 days ago

👀💯This👆
PS:

timegentleman.bsky.social•100 days ago

There's a missing "identity" in the sub-heading!

hayleywood.bsky.social•100 days ago

Are you going to quit Twatter? 😁

timaltmann.bsky.social•99 days ago

Why are so sure your solution would work in the USA when it didn't work in the UK with Corbyn? Quite the opposite in fact.

cyberfarer.bsky.social•100 days ago

You missed an important point. Democrats and liberals are viewed by voters, and yourself, as protective of human rights and marginalized groups. But the genocide proves that's another empty liberal value. That's why it's easy for them to pivot to imitation.

jackdunc1.bsky.social•100 days ago

Still just about the only big name reliable left-wing journo out there my guy. 🫡🫡

mattallalone.bsky.social•99 days ago

The Dems shouldn't pander to lunatic fringe groups that deny basic biology.
Most Americans are socially conservative.
The Donald maybe mad as a hatter but he knows how people tick.
An art the Dems have lost.

michaelkiwanuka.bsky.social•99 days ago

shagbark33.bsky.social•100 days ago

Why would that suddenly work now? It hasn’t for many cycles.

maxberger.bsky.social•100 days ago

Very nice to see you here!

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