Do we need to have a proper debate on the rainbow laces campaign? Felt very uncomfortable with apologies made for those not taking part. If everyone cited religious reasons no one would engage, and where would that leave us? If someone wrote a message on a kick it out shirt would we accept that? - ThreadSky

reigaterustler.bsky.social • 81 days ago

Do we need to have a proper debate on the rainbow laces campaign? Felt very uncomfortable with apologies made for those not taking part. If everyone cited religious reasons no one would engage, and where would that leave us? If someone wrote a message on a kick it out shirt would we accept that?

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maconleary.bsky.social•81 days ago

I agree too. I think at a bare minimum we should expect Barry to be allowed to make the case against the laces-refusers, but Troy shut that right down, and then he was never allowed to come back to his point.

reigaterustler.bsky.social•81 days ago

Imagine thinking about being the first player to come out while playing in the top flight (possibly of any league globally, definitely England) and your captain says due to his beliefs he can’t wear the the band. And he is backed by some.

maconleary.bsky.social•81 days ago

And as Jordan pointed out, the actual wording of what the rainbow laces campaign asks players to sign up to is incredibly tame - so if you can't even agree to THAT, it's pretty tricky to find explanations beyond bigotry.

danlargebutklein.bsky.social•80 days ago

Its just so pathetic watching people argue that homophobes are entitled to their opinions because of their religion. Very clearly you can be a devout christian and believe its not sinful or unchristian to be gay. There's plenty of devout gay christians. Its just excusing homophobia.

reigaterustler.bsky.social•80 days ago

It’s a cliche I am sure but people have no problem wearing mixed fibre clothing, and pick and choose what they want to consider a clash with their religion.

danlargebutklein.bsky.social•80 days ago

I also just know plenty of gay christians and muslims who think their god has no problem with their queerness and loves them all the same. Its just fundamentally disrespectful of religion to believe its fundamentally homophobic and transphobic.

nc-jd.bsky.social•81 days ago

I agree. Has anyone asked those players what those “reasons” actually are? I thought trying to reframe it around “respect” was just to avoid the convo that those players probably have bigoted views.

reigaterustler.bsky.social•81 days ago

I don’t see how there can be a defence. It feels like homophobia is the bottom of the pile and not backing equal rights here has some get out cards. Not understanding a campaign is one thing, as they said with the Neville example. Understanding and so making a message is another.

nc-jd.bsky.social•81 days ago

I agree and think Barry was getting there when Troy cut him off and started talking about “respect” and they (strangely) invoked a recent anti-Islamophobia campaign.

reigaterustler.bsky.social•81 days ago

Sticks in my mind that the last of the “specials” was on homophobia and crypto currency ahead. And yes absolutely, Barry barely got three lines into his slight push back. Which is why it needs a bit more debate just to air different views rather than just in favour of the players

pudsey68.bsky.social•81 days ago

Yeah, I'm not sure how criticising both Guehi and Morsy can be islamaphobic. Poor form from Troy Towsend to shut Barry down and then talking about listening to all opinions. Well, maybe not all opinions, eh Troy??

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