It seems much more likely that extremely online people feel differently about Israel than normies than there being a vast Zionist conspiracy to rig the Eurovision audience televote.
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Accusing Israel of cheating at the Olympics if they placed well would be equally batty, although cheating at the Olympics is much lower effort than cheating at Eurovision.
Like… Israel isn’t a supervillain and this isn’t a cartoon. Committing genocide in Gaza and oppressing Palestinians has no bearing on whether they cheated at Eurovision or not.
In a vacuum that would be true, however like I said they are ethno-supremacists they are looking for reasons to show off their 'superiority' to justify what they are doing to their 'inferior' neighbors. See also, "making the desert green" which has had disastrous ecological consequences.
I fully respect the people who followed PACBI guidelines and boycotted Eurovision this year because of Israel’s inclusion. I do not respect people who watched and are mad Israel got second place.
You're probably right. But, then you have those on the other side of the fence—extrapolating this out of nothing—to suggest a wide pro-Israel consensus. Of course, ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people did not vote at all, and most of those who did, voted for 1 of the other 25.
Your assumption is that normies don't care - and (for the second year in a row) they also coincidentally and consistently (across several different countries) happened to think one pretty average song was clearly better than 25 others.
It is much more likely that political factors are at play.
Sure, but those political factors aren’t necessarily a conspiracy. For example, the UK’s Jewish community is medium sized and pretty pro-Israel. The anti-Israel vote also gets split into several directions because there isn’t a clear protest option.
Yeah, that's possible. Some of that is grass roots and some is state "nudged" (they've apologised for running ads).
I did see someone show that there was a correlation between nations with lower barriers to esim registration and higher televotes for Israel - but I haven't checked it yet.
A sophisticated state actor has a lot to gain by trying to influence the vote. Just three years ago we had the 2022 jury vote scandal involving Georgia, Romania, Azerbaijan, San Marino and Montenegro.
Im not sure why people are so resistant to the idea it still happens.
I don't think it is Zionist conspiracy I think the voting is easy to manipulate with 20 votes per person. It matters to Israel to win to try and justify what they are doing. They just need to get hundreds of supporters (not even watching Eurovision) in each country to vote for Israel 20 times.
Counterpoint; opinion about Israel is pretty consistent across polling within each country, and what you would expect based on that country's politics.
There's no "normie" group distinct from very political people. Most ordinary Europeans are pretty politically aware.
Also, the Israeli foreign ministry admitted after the fact last year to funding and organising a huge online mobilisation and ad campaign in multiple countries to try to boost the Israeli act.
That's not a conspiracy, it's literally what they boasted they did.
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b) Fascism/ethno-supremacy is inherently stupid and petty.
But to a European, winning would be like getting gold in their national sport and the right to host the next Olympics at one fell swoop.
Israel should have been banned.
It is much more likely that political factors are at play.
I did see someone show that there was a correlation between nations with lower barriers to esim registration and higher televotes for Israel - but I haven't checked it yet.
Im not sure why people are so resistant to the idea it still happens.
There's no "normie" group distinct from very political people. Most ordinary Europeans are pretty politically aware.
That's not a conspiracy, it's literally what they boasted they did.
Also last year they contacted Israelis abroad in different counties via their ministry of foreign affairs to ask them to vote.
And EBU still claiming the contest is not political, it's a joke.