I'm honestly just tired of depictions of sexual assualt... like it's lazy at this point... got halfway through the water knife and was all... dude this was the whole last book https://youtu.be/5LFB3qdmZBM?si=Fe6G0OYrlh9kBES1
I think it is absolutely the one sequence that we should just do away with in movies and tv. It's unnecessary. People who have experienced it don't need to again and people that haven't don't need to at all.
I saw a bunch of it as a kid and emulated it unfortunately :/
Then met someone who read 50 shades of grey and was "inspired" to say the least 🙄😏🤔🥺😭🥹😭😅😬😭
That's whybI'm convinced the "waitress" is a mannequin https://youtu.be/wBoRkg5-Ieg?si=YAiQfW_4vrJ-2tV2
And it's a choice those in control make to mass push it on people all the time, hence, you said you've seen it since your youth. Even a remotely talented writer could elucidate that trauma without actually needing to showcase the event but that doesn't fit into their current agenda with the world.
… don’t want to be swaddled in bubble wrap and “protected.” Stories like that help make sense of things for many of us, and they help people who haven’t lived through them understand better our feelings, circumstances, and the effects that trauma have on us. (2/2)
I mean sure but it always comes down to authorship and intent. If you're reading revenge fantasies or books written by people trying to justify the behavior, it's polluting. To constantly revist or completely deny exploration is probably unhealthy. Clearly the complex emotions need to be parsed. 1/2
My issue is with people who try to drum up suspense or show how bad things have gotten by throwing in women or children in distress. Or worse, goes all hentai and treats a biological survival response to rush blood to one's privates as "starting to like it"
Btw—you may find this site helpful. It’s a search engine that lists various types of sexual violence in movies and TV so that you don’t get surprised or can avoid if you’d like. I’m not sure if there’s one for other types of media like games/books/etc though. https://www.unconsentingmedia.org
otherwise there’s only silence. Abusers need silence; speaking out is empowering, for me at least, and I think intense depictions like that have power to create a more compassionate world for people like me. I’m genuinely sorry your experience has been bad with this sort of media. (3/3)
I felt were good and respectfully/well-done upsetting on occasion, though, like Nosferatu. (Mostly because I wasn’t prepared for it, partially because the sentiments were so close to my actual feelings.) Even so I feel grateful that there are people talking about these things in media, because (2/3)
That’s understandable. It’s completely OK to not enjoy that type of storytelling. I frequently read/etc stories that deal with various types of abuse including SA, but I just havent personally seen many depictions that I felt were handled poorly. Maybe I’m lucky lol? I have found stories that… (1/?)
It does, yeah. I agree. I don’t believe that revenge stories are polluting, personally, as they can be cathartic for a survivor who receives no justice. Could you please elaborate on what you’re referring to re: justification? Sorry, I’m just a little confused on what you mean there.
As a survivor I completely disagree. Being able to read/write about trauma similar to mine has been a huge part of my recovery, and a lot of other survivors are the same way. For me, stories like that are necessary. Not everyone feels that way, and that’s okay, but I personally… (1/2)
(2/2) and/or someone who hasn't gotten to a place of healing in their own journey; and your writing ends up traumatizing them as equally as bad as you were?
Again, a legitimate question. No sarcasm. No poking.
you aren’t being forced to endure something, unlike what actually literally happened to me. I tag extensively and clearly so people who don’t want or aren’t ready to read stories like that will know what it’s about, and won’t be surprised by the content. The choice is theirs from there on. (2/2)
I don’t mean to be rude, but there’s no possible way that reading a fictional story about the sort of trauma I have would ever traumatize someone as badly as I was by the actual events. You can stop reading at any time if anything bothers you and I encourage that. When reading fiction… (1/2)
No banning depictions of things in art because they make you uncomfortable is never the way - would you say murder shouldn’t be depicted because soldiers might suffer PTSD? We actually help understand these things through depiction, not by hiding them
You don't though... literally every fucking professional will tell you writers are full of shit. Boobs bouncing boobily and all that... they should shut the fuck up and do the work. Or write better books about stuff they know about. https://youtu.be/Y8B_a0ZHNj8?si=S4vGKGbiNVXuLqHD
Also, this is not a comparison of atrocities. This is simply my belief on the subject matter we are discussing. No real world solution for this subject involves depicting these acts in cinema or written literature.
My point was the way these things are depicted are flat out disgusting. I'm not asking for censorship. I'm asking for people to be better human beings and rise above trash writing. Then we can begin to have intelligent discussions that provide real solutions to these issues.
The problem is you would still be asking for censorship- you’re asking for only depictions YOU deem acceptable which varies from person to person. You would find survivors depict things in ways that disgust you - no one should get to control that.
then YOU get to stay away from that. there is 0 need to censor it for others who want to see it. I'm not looking at rape either, but it’s not a reason to claim it should vanish off the face of earth
Aight y'all... it's like 4 in the morning here... I'm not trying to trauma Olympics but suffice to say, you have authors that want to deal with trauma. And those who just like that... if you do... there will be a place https://youtu.be/av4Tu8mDKHM?si=VhdQraXpMvREOu7A
since you said "you all" I must gently point out that generalization and overgeneralization is what is making so very many oversimplified and lacking sense.
I hate how you unironically just proved the point. This is about people who ONLY engage with "unproblematic" or "pure" literature cuz they believe engaging with the alternative (which would be anything considered remotely "problematic") is a moral failing, which it isn't.
If you purposefully avoid all literature that's "problematic" you rob yourself of the ability to think critically when discussing it. You rob yourself of being able to identify if something is just a depiction or a glorification and what you're actually consuming. It's making people stupid as hell.
I can't be the only person who read the word OVER as VERSUS instead of BASED ON. I thought they were saying READ ONLY UNPROBLEMATIC LITERATURE... But the comments didn't seem to take it that way. So, I asked
Challenge avoidance is a broader term this phenomena.
I think people reading dirty books can fall into this category too. HEA or GTFO is a rally cry for some readers that will pick fights if you suggest anything outside their comfort zone.
Zeal and anger are self red flags for introspection.
One of my coworkers moved 800km and back in a few years and it was his complaint that nobody in his area wanted to challenge themselves.
They were adverse to a simple game night or book club. He couldn't get anything going and he didn't want his kids to pick up on that challenge adverse culture.
sounds like they only read boring stories.. i started off reading a lot of horror as a kid and you dont find me being problematic, im out here just adding to my rareship
I've read lots of horror and it gets boring as does anything if you read it too much. Reading most stuff is educational in some way. Even if you just learn just one thing from a book. People read what they like and this is the way it is. Your statement, to me, is gibberish and word salad, sorry.
Right? Avoiding complex or "messy" literature just robs you of the chance to wrestle with ideas, perspectives, and the imperfections that make stories (and life) interesting. Great literature often challenges us—and that’s kind of the point!
i’m not saying you need to read gore in order to be intelligent but you do need basic reading comprehension which includes navigating complex and controversial concepts, without which there is no expansion of your knowledge
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https://youtu.be/5LFB3qdmZBM?si=Fe6G0OYrlh9kBES1
Then met someone who read 50 shades of grey and was "inspired" to say the least 🙄😏🤔🥺😭🥹😭😅😬😭
That's whybI'm convinced the "waitress" is a mannequin
https://youtu.be/wBoRkg5-Ieg?si=YAiQfW_4vrJ-2tV2
Again, a legitimate question. No sarcasm. No poking.
As someone who writes and shares that writing, how does it make you feel to know that by sharing it with someone who hasn't endeared that trauma 1/2
https://youtu.be/Y8B_a0ZHNj8?si=S4vGKGbiNVXuLqHD
https://youtu.be/8rBQoOcsh0g?si=ibrCfdTwa0zwi262
https://youtu.be/av4Tu8mDKHM?si=VhdQraXpMvREOu7A
So, if I choose MY literature over clean and unproblematic literature... it's making me stupid?
Or were you trying to say that choosing literature that is clean and unproblematic is making me stupid?
Was the word, "over" out of place? Ironic
You were using OVER to mean based on. I read it as Your Literature vs Unproblematic and Pure Literature.
But this is bluesky... So, I couldn't see that being your point lol
I think people reading dirty books can fall into this category too. HEA or GTFO is a rally cry for some readers that will pick fights if you suggest anything outside their comfort zone.
Zeal and anger are self red flags for introspection.
They were adverse to a simple game night or book club. He couldn't get anything going and he didn't want his kids to pick up on that challenge adverse culture.
That being said, a lot of the commonly banned books that I'm seeing are baffling to me.
They can't see where the line actually is.