1. If "nature = eat and be eaten," then why do we have laws, ethics, and technology that prevent unnecessary harm? By this logic, we should also accept murder, theft, and abandoning the weak - because those things happen in nature, too. But we don’t. Humans make moral choices beyond instinct. - ThreadSky

herbivoreclub.bsky.social • 7 days ago

1. If "nature = eat and be eaten," then why do we have laws, ethics, and technology that prevent unnecessary harm? By this logic, we should also accept murder, theft, and abandoning the weak - because those things happen in nature, too. But we don’t. Humans make moral choices beyond instinct.

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kudriawka.bsky.social•6 days ago

I don't think people are "part of nature" anymore. We signed out from natural selection, the nature basic force. I refuse to be hold to the same standard as an animal too. This argument of "natural" should die off.

herbivoreclub.bsky.social•7 days ago

2. If using animals is justified because it's “natural,” then so is dying from infections, never using modern medicine, and living without clothes or shelter. This argument only appeals to “nature” when it’s convenient, while ignoring all the unnatural ways humans avoid suffering.

herbivoreclub.bsky.social•7 days ago

3. Humans aren’t obligate carnivores. We don’t have sharp claws, night vision, or the speed to chase down prey. Instead, we farm, use weapons, and outsource killing to slaughterhouses - none of which resemble true predation. Calling humans “predators” is just an excuse for unnecessary exploitation.

herbivoreclub.bsky.social•7 days ago

4. Soil can be enriched with plant-based compost, green manure, and other vegan-friendly methods. Industrial farming chooses to use animal remains, but that’s not a requirement. Vegan farmers already grow food without relying on blood and bones from slaughterhouses.

herbivoreclub.bsky.social•7 days ago

5. Nature is full of suffering - animals eat their young, diseases wipe out entire species, and many die slow, painful deaths. If nature dictated morality, we wouldn’t prevent forest fires or treat injuries. Ethics exist precisely because we have the ability to make better choices.

herbivoreclub.bsky.social•7 days ago

This argument boils down to "because it happens in nature, it must be right." That logic fails everywhere else - so why apply it selectively to justify animal exploitation?

meathead-market.bsky.social•7 days ago

#meatheads struggle with logic & critical thinking. They believe we’re in a survival of the fittest contest against others but then, as you state, want protection from others.

It’s an entirely indefensible & hypocritical stance by meatheads.

#vegan
#veganism

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